Capitalism is economic tyranny Socialism is economic democracy.

You said it. You need to find a way to earn your keep so you can write poetry in your spare time. If you need to work 3 jobs, you have no SPARE time. If you are hungry, you are not thinking about poetry.

Your reality is all about money so you can pay for whatever you want. The problem with that is that not everyone has a talent for making money, so what then do you do?

If you could live a normal life and be able to pay your bills having just ONE job, then you can do it all. Unfortunately, right now the rich have it all and the poor and middle class have to scramble to make ends meet. That was not what was happening in the 50-70's of the last decade, which is where income inequality was being addressed in a much better way than it is being addressed now. Simply stated, there is a known solution for this problem. It is just that the rich do not like the solution and since they have the power, we all have to take it and the nation will suffer from it. It is as simple as that.

 

Why keep denying that it will take force to make it happen? YOU were the one who pointed that out.

Meantime, there is no 'wage slavery' when employment is voluntary. However under state socialism, there certainly would be.

 

So find a way to earn more, so you only have to work one job. Either poetry matters enough to you to do that, or it doesn't. Your argument makes no sense .. whatsoever.

If you don't have a talent for making money, live differently. Live without need of money. Buy fertile land with timber and water, and go off grid. You can grow everything you need and write poetry all day long. Again, if it matters to you , you'll do it. If it doesn't matter enough to do it, why on earth are you complaining?

It is absolutely still happening now. You simply need to adapt to current and future reality. Don't keep trying to live like it's 1970, is a very good start. That will keep you poor faster than anything.

 

LOL

LMAO, sort of reads to the contrary ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Anyone in a 70% tax bracket could easily afford a CPA to get them out of that bracket.
"All men are CREATED EQUAL... CREATED. After that there neurosurgeons, astronauts, CPA' electricians, dentists... and bums. We earn what we get... or don't get.
If you want to be a self-fulfilled poet sitting under a tree strumming a guitar, you have the right to do so. You also have the right to be hungry doing it. Its called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
I've needed a heart surgeon, a pilot, a Physics Professor, a dentist, a butcher, a green grocer, a pharmacist.. I've never needed a poet or an artist. That's just a fact of life.

 

LOL.

Give everyone a set amount at age 18, and you'll be back to where we are now within the year. Not only would it make no substantial difference to those determined to get ahead (they'll do so either way), but it will actually perpetuate the poverty of those determined to squander opportunity.

 

Bottom line is that we had a system that worked for everyone back about 50-70 years ago and we dismantled it and now things have gotten worse.

You can try to excuse it any way you want but you can't get away from the fact "we had it and we screwed it up". We simply need to fix the error and get back to what we were doing before.

This is not about experimenting and trying something new. It is about doing what worked before and will work again.

 

They're not the problem (or rather, only part of the problem). The real danger is in those with a vaguer sense of entitlement. Asking for things like 'affordable' housing, and free Arts degrees, etc. It's the middle class grifting which stinks.

 

Bottom line is that we do not need to find new ways to do anything. We had a way that worked in the 50's-70's and we can simply go back to that. Fix the error that created this present situation and everything will be fine again. We do not need to invent anything new or do anything different. Go back to what worked for us. It is as simple as that.

 

Yeah. Cool. Do you realize that the real average household income by quintile looks like this .....




And the SHARE of US income by percentile looks like this ......



Now, do you know what the top 1% does with all that income? That is the real problem. They "buy" favorable policy. Think "A.L.E.C."

That's standard. No news there.

 

Presumably as it did among our remote ancestors: by custom and tradition. I'm not sure how you incorrectly imagine that could be relevant to modern societies where ownership is administered by government.

Are you under an erroneous impression that I have proposed anarchism?

It's certainly central to politically imposed socialism; but private socialist institutions like Mondragon and the Israeli kibbutzim are no more dependent on government than any other corporate owners.

Shared ownership of natural resources would look much like a trustee leasing them to private users on the basis of market bidding, except the trustee would be democratically accountable for securing and reconciling the equal individual rights of the whole community of "owners."

 

If everyone got say $50K on their actually lets make that 21st birthday then you could make the argument that people failed or squandered it since it's a level playing field.

 

You don't think the housing market is unreasonably high? You said you were a leftist but you consistently talk "right".

 

So when 330 million people decide they want to be artists (so they can create beautiful things), who is going to do the plumbing work?

 

No we absolutely cannot go back. The world is a VERY different place to what it was in 1970. If you wanted to retain a high standard Western lifestyle as per Northern Europe and America in the late 20thC, you would have had to say no to mass immigration. The only way you'll ever know that kind of homogeneous and civil culture again, is if you move to a country which does not tolerate a multiculture. Japan is still a safe bet. Scandinavia is lost, sadly.

 

But you are objectively incorrect about that, as I explained.

I have stated exactly what the difference is, and any good dictionary will confirm that I am objectively correct and you are objectively wrong.

So because of this mistake you've made you can't really participate in this conversation in a meaningful way, and that's why you haven't been. Let's leave the discussion about that sort of thing to people who know quite a bit more than you.

 

See? There it is again.

People do what you say. They try to do something about it by getting a college education, and they end up in crushing debt because - capitalism.

 

Monoculture doesn't have anything to do with it other than conservatives who only want their people to have nice things who are dying out. In 20 years we'll have European style "capitalism"

 

Yes, but then so are Apple products. Property is just the latest thing to be overpriced .. and even then it's not universal. There is still plenty of affordable real estate out there, unlike Apple products.

No idea why you think my point of view isn't Leftist. Your own must be thoroughly warped.

 

Prove your statement! Prove that going back is not doable.

 

BS. If you have to borrow money to pay for college, it's on YOU to choose a course which guarantees your ability to repay that loan. It's no one's fault but your own if you chose 17thC French Poetry instead of Engineering.

 

I thought you were a lefty. Guess not. You're conflating the difference between using force to defend yourself against attack, and using force to make people do work they don't really want to do. Guess which one I said was likely.

 

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Did we have millions of people that wanted to be artists in the 50's-70s"?

One thing for sure, is that we have a lot LESS people NOW that want to be artists. When you are hungry and not able to pay your bills, the last thing on your mind is art.

 

It has everything to do with it. When everyone is on the same page, and working as one, it results in a more harmonious and civil society. A civil society means everyone takes their social responsibilities (to behave, and to avoid becoming a burden) seriously. When that obligation is lost to either alien cultures, or the raging individualism of Progressives - or worse, both - you have no hope.

 

I'm not conflating anything. You said it won't happen by choice/vote, so it'll probably have to be mandated by law. YOUR words (or words to that effect).