Matt Gaetz Says Defunding Ukraine Should Be Top Priority

He <ToughTalk> has other reasons he'd probably not like to get into why he thinks the US should have a strong presence in Ukraine.

 

I don't think you're a Russian plant, a bot, er, whatever. IMO, you used the phrase 'us' when describing Russia is the reason why I think you're from Russia. Was I wrong?

Matter of fact, it doesn't even matter to me if you are a Russian plant since there are plenty of Ukranian plants on DP and I'm for free speech anyway.

Oh, and by the way, that is exactly what free market capitalism is about. Demand the US government supply arms and aid to Ukraine and be in the arms and/or aid business, for examples.

 

I think folks who disagree with the US being involved in the war probably believe there is more to our involvement than just fighting against tyranny and saving democracy. Every time there is a conversation with someone who is pro-war in Ukraine they only spout these two reasons.

 

With the money are leaders in Washington make from the MIC our government isn't really being forced to sell arms to any country.

 

Saving democracy? ukraine ain't no democracy. Hasn't been since the US orchestrated and funded the 2014 Coup. There are real dictatorships that offer more freedom to minorities than the current shithole of ukraine.

 

Not forced, they vote for it. That's how they get their kickbacks.

 

One, there is no democracy in Ukraine and two, Ukraine was tyrannical with the eastern provinces of Ukraine (Lugansk and Donetsk) and was the reason for the Russian invasion.

What's really funny to me is that folks like TT use the foolish excuse that Russia is in the wrong because Russia invaded Ukraine. Well, was France in the wrong when France invaded the British colonies to help out the revolutionaries during the Revolutionary War??? BTW, TT would answer no to this...No, this invader excuse is just a fallacious perspective.

 

That is how politicians get their money from the MIC but also MIC's set up businesses in the states where our politicians represent.

 

why does anyone care about matt gaetz, opinion? can he even run a hotdog stand?

 

MIC?

 

Ya. I do think the VAST MAJORITY of Ukraine wants their sovereignty and does not want to be Russian. It's only dipshit Russian propaganda and wishful thinking that would suggest otherwise. Sovereignty...the right of freedom is kind of this important thing people would die fighting for. I know I would. If Russia ever tried invading the United States there is no "live in peace" there is only live or die defending my land.

Still confused? Check all of human history.

Nothing comment. Next time do better.

The best way a SMART Russia could have done to disarm NATO was to be a great neighbor and strengthen trade and influence a sharing of culture with it's western neighbors. Not invading Georgia or Crimea would have gone a long way in disarming the need for even having a NATO. Instead, Russia went full paranoid...declares that every eastern state is Russian because that's how it should always be and aggressed on it's neighbors. Don't give two shits about the Cuban missile crisis. I'm not about to play the "whataboutisms" with a Russian bot.

If you don't want your neighbors to arm against you...be a good neighbor. Don't be a shitlord.

 

Some people think the world began when they started developing opinions about things. Many of very short memories of history especially in Eastern Europe that has been so foreign to many since very little about the then Soviet Union and now the Russian Federation in schools because the subject has been taboo for obvious reasons.

 

Military Industrial Complex. That is any company that sells equipment to the US government to be used on military hardware, etc.

 

I wonder if this is a big part of why they need to replace us. People with a history of being in the US actually remember the lies that got us into Nam. The lies that got us into Iraq and Afghanistan. The false flags in Syria. Our disgrace in Afghanistan. How many illegals know what McCarthyism is?

 

They tried very hard after the Soviet Union fell in the early 90's. We kept them feeling like an outsider by keeping NATO even though the Warsaw Pact was disbanded.

 

I dare anyone to name one war that followed WW2 that is now better off than they were before we invaded in the name of democracy?

 

I was describing the U.S.

When I first started posting here I was interested in the mentality of conspiracy theorists. It always gave me a kick that none of them ever recognized the logo on my t-shirt.

The free in free market means free from government collusion. Stealing capital from taxpayers to funnel to cronies in exchange for bribes is not free market.

 

Why do you suppose the subject of Russia is taboo in Eastern Europe and certain circles of the US, for examples?

 

What is the logo on your teeshirt?

You've never heard of the free market practices of railroad barons? Or the free market practices of utility barons like when electricity was first innovated?
Never heard of the 16-hour workday for kids which was a free-market capitalism ploy? In other words, aren't you worried about collusion by rich and powerful entrepreneurs?

 

They didn't "try really hard". they made a unofficial ask about joining NATO themselves but demanded they skip the line or get instant entry.

 

actually Eisenhower toned it down from military industrial congressional complex

 

I meant to say "of" Eastern Europe. I know schools in the US didn't talk much about the Soviet Union except for their Space program.

 

I don't think we'd be defending Taiwan with Stingers and Javelins which are carried by infantry, but with cruise missiles, air power, submarines and intelligence. None of that has been sent to Ukraine, so to claim we have nothing to fight with is horribly inaccurate, and I think you know it.

 

Yeah, and guys like Biden telling them they need to fire the guy investigating his son or else no treats give them that sovereignty, right? Make no doubt about it, they'd be fine if both the U.S. and Russia had no interest in them.

Next time don't flippantly refer to a war that will destroy an entire country as "killing birds." Without big brother standing behind them instigating the fight in the first place, Ukraine very well could have a beneficial negotiated relationship with Russia without killing anything, let alone "birds."

All the while we post up missiles and arms on their border. Stupid Russia for not recognizing that as an act of friendship.

 

Russia wanted Europe to have their own security organization. Russia felt NATO would have a negative effect on relations with the Russian people. Much like Western Europe would have felt threatened if the Warsaw Pact continued if the west had fallen.