Matt Gaetz Says Defunding Ukraine Should Be Top Priority

I don't care about Biden and will be voting him out. Has nothing to do with Ukraine's desire to fight and die for their sovereignty. The US us offering aid so that they have the ability to do so. This also helps weaken one our major enemy's forces which is also a win.

Nobody "instigated" this fight. As I've pointed out, Putin believes all of East Europe is inherently Russian and belongs to Russia. That's how they see it. That's the motivation. Beyond that, how I describe how this is a win/win for the United States as well as Ukraine is neither here nor there. It just means that there is more than one reason to incentivise assisting Ukraine.

Well now they can have more missiles up there border as Finland and Sweden who were both happy to be neutral will become NATO members. They already have NATO members on their border before this war...if NATO wanted to, they could hit Moskow. This was never about NATO. This is and always was about Putin feeling he owns Eastern Europe.

Time to educate him as to the realities of the world.

 

There's no such logo.

Ya can't call it laissez faire when you're sticking your nose in with subsidies, land grants, and interstate commerce regulation. The railroads and utilities in the late 1800's were prime examples of how government influence corrupts the market. The government swooped in to fix a problem it created.

 

Because the TRUTH doesn't fit the MIC's/NATO's bullshit Cold War narrative they've propagandized for decades. So big brother won't allow it. The truth would mean the MIC wouldn't make much money and the politicians wouldn't get rich off kickbacks.

 

If you're a free market capitalist, why aren't you for foreign countries' involvement in Ukraine? I mean, that involvement makes money for foreign companies paid by the Ukrainian government who's funded by countries like the US and the EU.

 

Ya can't ignore it as an influence just because you don't like him. I don't like him either. You don't think crap like that plays a role?

We've been instigating with Russia, and they have been instigating with us for decades. Take some responsibility for this mess. Both countries will continue to stomp all over little countries and claiming is the other guy's fault until we recognize that we are in it for the money and power TOO. You don't think that Biden thought that Ukraine is his country to push around in what he thinks is his own best interest?

 

Can you share some data on which politicians are getting kickbacks and how much money they receive?

As for the 'MIC', - based on their shares, they are not making much more than usual.

 

Biden is a weak ass **** stain and his weakness probably incentivized Putin in making his move now and not when Trump was in office. But Biden is not the motivation in going into Georgia or Crimea and now Eastern Ukraine. I've explained to you why Putin is doing this.

Oh cut the crap. Russia has historically been an expansionist, authoritarian regime. Since the Bolsheviks. Go back further and Catherine the Great had annexed Crimea in the 1700's. Russia ****ed over the Tatars through Genocide and scattered the Turks long before NATO or the United States. And if you go back even further, Putin has compared himself to Peter the Great. You are talking a Russian culture that has 1000 year history of aggression and entitlement issues. They have violent history and in the past 100 years they have started wars with almost all of their surrounding countries. Russian imperialism is a thing that has NOTHING to do with NATO.

There is a reason why those nations want in NATO. It's not because NATO is expanding, it's because they want to insure their freedom and sovereignty. And they have every damn right to want to take action and preserve that.

So when you try to tell me that countries like Sweden and Finland are joining NATO because of American expansion and NOT as a reaction to Russian leadership and aggression...you are trying to sell me bullshit.

Learn your history.

 

Are you one of these people that can't figure out how politicians get rich while in office?

 

https://money.com/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

"The most often cited estimate comes from a former mid-level Kremlin adviser named Stanislav Belkovsky. In 2007, he claimed Putin had a fortune worth at least $40 billion—a figure that would put him in the top 10 of Forbes magazine’s ranking of billionaires."

"The Kremlin source based his estimate on Putin’s alleged stakes in several companies, mostly in the oil sector. He said the Russian president controlled 37% of the oil company Surgutneftegaz, 4.5% of natural gas company Gazprom, and had substantial holdings in a commodities trader called Gunvor.

"At least $40 billion,” Belkovsy told the Guardian at the time.“Maximum we cannot know. I suspect there are some businesses I know nothing about.""

Tell me more, Billy

 

Ha!

There's probably no such agency either.

 

I just asked you to provide the data, but its ok if you can't provide it.

 

Military Industrial Complex I believe

 

South Korea. Have you been there in the last 10 years or so?

Or how about Vietnam? It is far better now. took a while, but it has a good economy and is now the "new China" for manufacturing that is slowly gaining support from the West.

Honorable Mentions are Panama, Grenada, Lybia, Iraq, Serbia, Bosnia, and a couple of others.

 

Wow. I suppose a better economy counteracts all the killing that was done in the countries the US left after the US's quest for democracy around the world.

 

The war in Korea is still going on. I spent 2 years in South Korea in the 70's. How about Vietnam? Whatever happened after we left in 1975 has nothing to do with our invasion of Vietnam. It was a civil war and they worked out their differences after we left. So don't claim that as a win for the US. Do you know why there are gangs in Central America forcing refugees to come north? Here's a clue; MS-13. And don't even get me started on the rest of the wars you named.

 

You think Libya is better off?

 

We need a Congressional Debate on what our policy in Ukraine is, and why it is in our national interest, and how much cost and risk we are willing to bear.