FBI fatally shoots man in Utah who allegedly threatened Biden, Alvin Bragg and others

I semi agree but really what did he do other than speech? He obviously has a history clear enough to obtain guns. He was just running his mouth and getting harassed for it multiple times till he snapped.

 

I wonder if it was really necessary to go after this man, or how real the "threat" actually was or should have been believed to be.

Another needless death.

 

Was he just blowing off steam on Facebook? What did the alleged threats actually consist of?

I'm going to be angry if it turns out he got shot just over angry posts on Facebook.
But I suspect the media will not tell us.

 

And a left wing freak threatened to kill Kavanaugh and his family. Did you create a thread for that case, talking about how left wingers are "not kidding around anymore?" Freak crazies on both sides. Next.

 

so you see much of this in the MAGA crowd?

 

Didn’t take long fir the whacko conspiracy theories I see

 

Is that your only example to use as a “whataboutism”? There are hundreds of examples of terrorist threats from the right

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check...about-killing-donald-trump-mike-pence-1568329
what was very obviously a joke. You know spelt J O K E? That humour thing? Where people say something in a manner and way that indicates it is not meant as anything but levity

 

would like to see the video of the police interactions, but sounds like this guy was a bad dude

"Who was Craig Robertson? Utah man killed by FBI agents after allegedly making threats against President Biden"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wh...ents-allegedly-making-threats-president-biden

 

why does Facebook always remove pages of criminals after caught

or is it people trying to hack it for information and locking the account with too many failed login attempts?

 

Over political ideology?

 

As a rule no-one gets shot for posting 'angry'. They might however get shot for posting threats to end someone if they also, when authorities arrive at their door to investigate those threats also decide to confront the officers concerned with a weapon.

Now I'm not saying this is what happened, I'm saying it's too early to tell until further information is released. I would however expect Federal authorities to react to repeated threats to kill Biden the same way they would react to repeated threats to kill Trump i.e. by the 'book'. And until someone produces evidence to the contrary I'm going to assume that was the case in this instance.

 

By which I mean it's a crime to threaten the life of the President?

 

Nor sure if he opened fire at the FBI, or why they shot him, but he did post this



And this, which indicates this was not the first time FBI visited him

 

This is the probem with vague open worded laws.

In old times, a threat meant actually telling someone to their face, or sending a messenger to tell someone to their face, or addressing a letter specifically to that person.

These days it seems to include stupid things typed and posted on stupid internet sites. Obviously this is a lot more casual than writing out and mailing a letter that specific person.

 

In this case they didn't need to rely on someone's testimony about the threats, because he actually put them in writing.

There is nothing vague about the law.

 

Writing, or typing on a stupid social media internet site?

Was the message even specifically sent to Biden's Twitter profile? I'm guessing no...

 

TWO TIER JUSTICE SYSTEM at work again! If it were threats against a republican politician, Nazi Joe would have hired him! You know who DIDN'T get fatally shot? The person that beat the snot out of Rand Paul's aide.

 

How do you figure that verbal threat somehow carries more weight than a written one? And no, a threat does not have to be made face to face to your intended target.

Why are you bending over backwards to defend this guy?

 

That is not the point.

Typing something stupid on Facebook is like shouting "I'm going to kill so-and-so" in a crowded noisy and rowdy bar tavern.

Because we don't have the details, and it could be a thin line between "threats" and free speech.

(Even if not quite precisely the same, they are too close for comfort. I see a slippery slope and prefer more of a buffer zone)

 

Assassination threats are taken seriously, no matter how badly you want to downplay it in order defend this "maga trumper"

 

How many would be dragged off to prison if they had strictly enforced that under Trump?

I suspect the reason they may have gone after this man was not just threatening internet posts but also that they knew he was a gun owner. Which in their minds, under the Democrat Biden Administration, is almost a criminal threat itself.

 

Trump made a threat against Hillary with his 2nd amendment comment

though I agree, all death threats against a President should be taken seriously, they were not under Obama, Trump and now Biden - they should not get to the point like this guy with multiple death threats

this is where they started letting people get away with it, before that I remember it being a serious crime - it's like somehow it was considered less serious if it was typed

http://aksyrin.wordpress.com/2011/01/24/death-threat-for-a-palin-critic/

they had the woman's AOL account, but the police suspended the case?

"After suspending the case, the police department sent McLeod an email noting that the emails the suspect had exchanged with the Anchorage Daily News “would lead a person to believe that the poster” was this Anchorage woman, but that “just because we think we know who owns the IP we have not verified who was actually sitting at the computer at that IP address and posted this threatening communication.” The police also informed McLeod that the attorney general’s office had concluded that there “was nothing [Anchorage Police Department] could do at this point unless [the Anchorage woman], or whoever sent the email, took some act of furtherance toward Ms. McLeod.”

 

Really? About 100 million Americans are gun owners, but they didn't go after them, - or me. Heck, Biden himself is a gun owner. They went after this guy. Why? Because he threatened to assassinate a number of politicians, including the president or the US.

Trying to defend this guy doesn't reflect well on you.

 

It's an intersection of two different prejudicial factors.

Kind of like how in the Muslim world they'll strictly apply blasphemy laws against individuals who are non-Muslims. Saying something that can raise eyebrows, or being a Christian might each not be treated as crimes, but combine them both together and the authorities will come crashing down.