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Looks like you realize that atheism can be a religious faith. Glad that we got that settled.

A variety of denominations exist: Stalinism, Trotskyism, Randian Ojectivism, Fascism. Though these ideologies scream about how different they are from one another, they share quite a bit in common.

 

Hardly. For starters, atheism and anticlericalism are not the same thing. Many of these regimes practice anticlericalism because religion, especially established religion, detracts from the power of the regime and provide avenues for thought contrary to that of the regime - anticlericalism is merely a means to an end.

If you want to make comparisons, let's compare Christianity's fanatical expurgation of competeing faiths from its sphere of influence to the anticlericalism of totalitarian regimes. Why did they do it? They touted moral reasons, but practically it was to ensure Christ's hegemony over the hearts and minds over the population and eliminate competing avenues of thought. The similarities really are quite astounding. Under that comparison, Christianity has been the most successful and longeval dictatorship in the history of humanity.

 

It's not what Blackrook describes or doesn't describe about others, the issue is what the nature of his posts describes about himself.

LOL I don't wonder at all. And it's very specific, my friend: The 'some' that can't stop telling me about their gods are very specifically those who can't stop telling me about their gods.

As I said, it only seems appropriate to tell them, in turn, what I think of it. Be it on the Internet, in the papers, on the street, over the phone, at Jesus festivals or whatever.

 

I dont think anyone is denying that. However you asserted and FAILED to prove that it was due to atheism itself that this occurred.

You realize a doctrine isnt an ideology. An ideology can be atheistic, but atheism itself is not an ideology. Notice in the former case it was an ADJECTIVE.

You obviously don't understand what atheism or how the English language works.

You mean some atheists, just as some theists kill and torture those who disagree with them also.

 

LOL Epic fail. How can an idea that is anti-religion be religious? Explain to me, although I dont think you can, how "atheism can be a religious faith."

You have done no such thing. Although I have to admit, watching you avoid reality is rather amusing.

Indeed, but not atheism. Fascism ca be religious. Nazism was.

 

I'm starting to think it's reality that avoids Anansi_the_Spider.

 

LOL, yes that may in fact be the case.

 

Objectivism and Communism are the most dissimilar of the atheist denominations, but even these philosophies share a lot in common.

quote: She believed her philosophy was Bolshevism's opposite, when in reality it was its twin. Both she and the Soviets insisted a small revolutionary elite in possession of absolute rationality must seize power and impose its vision on a malleable, imbecilic mass. The only difference was that Lenin thought the parasites to be stomped on were the rich, while Rand thought they were the poor.

quote: She started to write her first novel, We the Living (1936), and in the early drafts her central character—a crude proxy for Rand herself—says to a Bolshevik: "I loathe your ideals. I admire your methods. If one believes one's right, one shouldn't wait to convince millions of fools, one might just as well force them."

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quote: since under her [Rand's] control the Objectivist movement was taking on more and more of the authoritarian or totalitarian overtones of the very ideologies it was supposedly opposing.
In another incident, related by the columnist Samuel Francis, when Rand learned that the economist Murray Rothbard's wife, Joey, was a devout Christian, she all but ordered that if Joey did not see the light and become an atheist in six months, Rothbard, who was an agnostic, must divorce her. Rothbard never had any intention of doing anything of the sort, and this estranged him from Rand, who found such "irrational" behavior intolerable.

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Atheism is an ideology that so often justifies and sustains elite oppression. Non-atheists - the great majority of mankind - are devalued, subjugated, killed. Hitchens and Harris do the same thing when talking of Muslims.

 

No, atheism is the absence of theistic faith. It's that simple.

 

Not at all.Atheism is not an ideology. What are its ideals? Communism AND objectivism? WTF? What about anarchists who believe in total equality who are also atheists? What about Christians that are atheists? What about Buddhists? What about humanists, like utilitarians? All these people dont believe in classes yet they are all atheists. So what is the 'atheist ideology'? - there is no such thing!

Why would that be the case?

When?

Sorry Anansi at this point you're just a joke with a keyboard.

 

A thousand times this.

 

It would seem we have the old paradigm best summarized in the phrase, unreasonable people cannot be reasoned with.

 

Yes.

Doctrine is not interchangeable with ideology. A doctrine of one sentence is not an ideology. An ideology is a "body of doctrine", you cannot have an ideology that is one sentence long. "I believe there is no God" or "I believe there is a God" are both doctrines/statements, but neither one is an ideology. It gives you no set of rules, moral standards or goals to live your life by.

It is not an ideology! At most it is a "doctrine" of one sentence, that does not necessarily follow on in any specific direction ideologically. Theism is exactly the same, you get messed up cults that sacrifice people and stuff, and then you get completely meek and harmless people that only do "good". Neither Atheism or Theism are ideologies.

The world is not black and white, it's not Atheists and Theists. There are many ideologies that are shared by both Theists and Atheists. The fact that some Atheist in North Korea, according to their ideology, justified killing people has absolutely nothing to do with me because I do not share that ideology. Unless you want to claim a share in the responsibility of Islamic Ji-Hadists who technically share a lot more in common with Christians than Communists do with me, as I'm pro Secularism, Capitalism, Humanism and Democracy.

 

I beg to differ on this. Theism is not just a general statement such as "I believe gods exist", it is the idea that gods do very specific things that humans must observe, or else. Hence it is an ideology.

To compare with political ideology, it is not ideology to say that humans are able to build societies without government. That's a general statement about humans; right or wrong as it may be. But it is a declaration of ideology to say that humans must abandon governmental institutions and build societies without governments. Or else.

 

No Freeware, theism is JUST the belief in a God or Gods.

One you determine that, you assign yourself a religion ... or even no religion, and the various denominations that you sign up for give you the standard you CHOOSE to adhere to.

A theist can be a person who has a nebuolous concept of a Creator, but chooses to do nothing beynd that then acknowledge that there is a Creator being.

And the ideology that states we can build societies without government is called anarchy. It may be rubbish, but people still follow it.

 

I see. So this God or Gods don't do anything in specific? They just exist, do they? No accomplishments. No actions. No demands.

Got it.

 

That would be a deist, would it not? Of course, even that belief entails a certain reverence and direction.

Well, it's hard to argue that the ideology that states such a thing is not an ideology. Go full circle, why don't you. I'll buy you a free round.

Anyhow, as I said, saying that humans are able to exist without government is a statement. It could simply be a topic for a discussion in a social sciences class. However, saying that building societies without government is a good thing that must be pursued, that's an ideology.

 

THat will quite obviously vary by the individual theist.

Is a Hindu the same as a Christian? THe same as a lay theist who merely believes in God but does not perscribe to a particular religion?

Got it?

It ain't a difficult concept.

 

And if such a person belives that God DOES intervene, such a person would clearly not be a diest.

These ideologies that you are debating are fully defined.

And theism, in and of itself, bears zero conditions that YOU, not the ideology, are attaching to it.

 

I quoted the dictionary before:

atheism = 1. the doctrine or belief that there is no god.

Why is the dictionary wrong?

Marxists, the majority of the world's atheists, make the positive assertion that there is no God. So I think the definition I am using is acceptable.

 

Where do you get this stuff?

 

We agree that some of these atheistic ideologies are dangerous and have killed millions.

The ideology promoted by various atheist prophets is considerably longer than one sentence.

Good for you - you're not a Communist.

 

Here's secular fanatic Hitchens.

quote: It is impossible to compromise with the proponents of sacrificial killings of civilians, the disseminators of anti-Semitic filth, the violators of women and the cheerful murderers of children.
It is also impossible to compromise with the stone-faced propagandists for Bronze Age morality: morons and philistines who hate Darwin and Einstein and managed, during their brief rule in Afghanistan, to ban and erase music and art while cultivating the skills of germ warfare. If they could do that to Afghans, what might they not have in mind for us? In confronting such people, the crucial thing is to be willing and able, if not in fact eager, to kill them without pity before they get started.

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Incredible! Demonizing the enemy to justify their slaughter.

And don't think this doesn't have real world consequences. Hitchens is influential.

Britain admits to using 'brutal' vacuum bomb against Taliban

Here's Sam Harris employing sophistry and lies in support of Israeli massacre: "For instance, [liberals] ignore the fact that Muslims intentionally murder noncombatants, while we and the Israelis (as a rule) seek to avoid doing so. Muslims routinely use human shields, and this accounts for much of the collateral damage we and the Israelis cause; the political discourse throughout much of the Muslim world, especially with respect to Jews, is explicitly and unabashedly genocidal. ... Given these distinctions, there is no question that the Israelis now hold the moral high ground in their conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah."

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Let's look at the reality: Palestinian brothers: Israel used us as human shields in Gaza war

Civilians bombed in Gaza by Israel:

Yet from what I've noticed quite a few people on this forum seem to enjoy laughing at you. lol

 

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Take a look at the map. The larger the nation the larger the atheist population:


Notice how the atheist dictators of China (and those they terrorize into obedience) dominate the map. North Korea is also disproportionately large, reflecting the hateful and ludicrous atheist regime of Kim Jong il. The rich atheist-prone countries like the U.K. and Germany and France and Israel exploit and bomb People of Color in places like Africa and the Mideast and Latin America - places where atheism hardly exists.

 

From 1917-1941, the Marxism-Leninism Communist Russia embraced atheism as their central doctrine for Russia. Militant Atheism's ideology championed eradicating religion, destroying churches, mosques and temples. At that given time, the sinister cult of Atheism is responsible for the persecution and execution of millions who practiced religion. During this time frame, The Soviet regime was ostensibly committed on systematically obliterating all religious doctrines, beliefs and ideas. The rapid decline of the practice of religion in 9 countries can be attributed to the culturally incorrect thinking, those who have chosen to convert to malicious creeds such as atheism, agnosticism and secular humanism.