Ahmadinejad: We will destroy Israel soon

Well, for one thing, my hands are clean, thank you, I am less sure about you though, to be honest, the manner that you disregard human life, I think even Jews find you a bit distrubing.

For another thing, you seem to be labouring under the idea that I define myself by the acts of those that happened to get into politics, in Britain.

I don't.

I have no real time for mainstream politicians, esp today, my own view on both primary London parties, is that I would give neither my vote, since neither have a good track record, for decades, of actually doing anything other than speaking through the side of their mouth, while, at the same time, picking up a cosy salary, a bunch of perks, and not acutally delivering on anything tangible, that is worthwhile, to 95% of us.

That some may still vote for them, is not a reflection of how we generally feel about them here, of course you will still get voters, people are creatures of habit, for one thing, they may vote for Tory or Labour 'because their family always did', or they may have v little political awareness, and cast a vote anyway, in the end, people would vote, if the choice was a chicken or a duck.

But in the end, whatever you may think the three names you cite are culpable of, not my fault, is it?

It's not my fault if King Edward 1st, chose to expel Jews for about 400yrs or so, is it?

Who knows why he did, maybe he was an Islamonazi, but anyway, it wasn't me, was it?

It's not my fault if Jews had their homes and wealth confiscated, during NA Germany, is it?

I would not advocate and want to do the last one though, would I, that's the difference between you and I.

How would I feel today, if (let's just say), the state began decanting Jews from their own homes, and freezing all their assets?

Or even using brute force to remove them, but not allow them to leave per se, rather, they be hemmed in to a ghetto, in Lewishham.

Then left to rot, or be routinely abused.

I would be utterly disgusted, because that would be the actions, intent, and the mind of something I do not regard to be the actions of anyone that has any ounce of humanity, in their heart, you would have to be totally immoral, a creature, to support that.

I wouldn't.

You do.

 

well, apparently you missed it.

go back and read his link. Ahmadinejad NEVER said that

all BS and ambiance. ask Americans if Ahmadinejad/Iran ever threatened Israel, I would bet 99% will say "YES"

Propagand be a wonderful thing, eh?

 

They think by repetition of a lie, it becomes truth.

 

Better yet, Dusty, all Iran has to say is, Israel - with its arsenal of nuclear missiles, is "an existential threat" to Iran

throw it right back in their face.

 

The Zionists learned well from the Nazi's..

“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ” Joseph Goebbels.

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Zionist propaganda uses children like Nazi's did in the 1930's

Israeli ads warn against marrying non-Jews

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And propaganda that says to Americans, we want your money, we do not want you, and, if you are American and a Jew, be disloyal to your birth nation..


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There's no explicit threat. There's implied threat, e.g. don't worry, you'll get what's coming.

 

Iran is toast. I'd flee like it was 1979 if I was so unfortunate as to be a Persian.

 

Nah, that was the joke about the guy who went to the doctor, complaining that he had what he thought was a lettuce leaf growing out of his arse. And the doctor said...

 

Speaking of traitors, does the name Jonathan Pollard ring any bells? Or, perhaps, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg?

 

Oh no, who's got the copyright to the term "tip of the iceberg" used in a joke?

Lettuce? That doesn't even make any sense.

 

Ah, maybe you don't have a variety of lettuce called 'Iceberg' in America. All should be clear now.

 

Would that be the same Pollard that is revered by Netenyahu?

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Just because you read something in the press does not mean it's true, no matter how many papers print it. Ahmadinejad did not threaten to erase Israel from the map, he said ''the imam said the regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish from the page of time.'' No matter the translation, he did not say ''Israel,'' he said ''regime.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel#Translation_controv ersy

A regime, whether it be the Saudi regime, the Syrian regime, or the Israeli regime etc, refers to the rulers of that country, not the civilian population of the country, or the land the country exists on.

It is a prediction, not a threat. He predicts that the Israeli regime (and hence Israel as the Jewish state), will not be around for ever. In fact, a senior British politician recently said the same thing, ''Israel is not going to be there forever.''

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17218291

Is she threatening Israel? Or would it have been a threat if she had said ''the regime occupying Jerusalem will vanish from the page of time''? I really don't see the difference.

Why shouldn't people make these predictions? Others may find them highly objectionable, but we either support free speech or we don't. Why don't you look for yourself and see what Ahmadinejad does say about Israel?

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Basically, Iran is proposing that the Palestinians, including those who are Israeli citizens, should be allowed to participate in a referendum to choose their own form of government for ''Palestine,'' meaning Israel and the West Bank and Gaza, just as happened in Iran when the Iranian people overthrew the western installed dictator in 1979. Was Iran wiped off the map? No, the Shah's regime ''vanished from the page of time,'' and rightfully so.

Now you could argue that the Iranian regime is not democratic, and I would agree. But it is more democratic in it's rule over the Iranian people, than the Israeli regime is in it's rule over the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. They are ultimately ruled by a foreign military dictator, which is illegally occupying and stealing their land. It shouldn't be any wonder they resist, in whatever way they can. And it is up to us to support their cause, just as the allies supported the French resistance when France was under German military occupation in WW2.

It was not a statement. It was a simple question. Your comment about snoozing is not conducive to positive dialogue, that you have to resort to such is indicative of a weak argument, and I will not lower myself to responding in kind. Please, try to stick to discussing the topic at hand.

Well it is for Israel. It's the excuse they use to attack their neighbours, in order to steal their land. Of course they don't always get away with it, as they had to give the Sinai back to Egypt, but they have managed to hang onto the Golan Heights and the West Bank to this day. Remembering of course, Israel stealing the most valuable resource in a desert, water, was the cause of the escalation in hostilities which led to the 1967 war.

The ''act'' he is referring to was when Israel, having diverted some of Syria's water from the Jordan river to Israel, bombed Syria, when they decided to try to divert the water that was rightfully theirs back to Syria. So yes, ''preemptive'' is most certainly a magic word for Israel, as it has allowed them to steal both resources and land, which previously did not belong to them. But then as Israel was originally financed by selling stolen Palestinian land to the JNF, and it's economy built on stolen Palestinian resources, it shouldn't be any surprise that Israel continues the same policies to this day.

You still haven't answered the question. Should Iran, a country which hasn't attacked another country for probably hundreds of years, except in self defence (i.e. when it was attacked first), now preemptively attack Israel, a country which was born out of terrorism, has elected a number of terrorists as prime minister, and has a history of aggressively attacking several of it's neighbours, because it is now threatening to attack Iran?

And if not, why not?

Dusty

 

A democratic regime elected by all nation that live in Israel, he has no right to suggest that, just saying is an act of war

Replaced by whom with what and why?, if you mean new elections he can request citizenship and vote like the rest of us.

yea......OK......., we predict he wont have nukes.

Its not the fact he said it but the content of what he said, he supports a terror organization so his "prediction" "opinions" etc' find a way to manifested without getting his hands dirty, welcome to the 21st century, terror is the new game, no responsibility but same impact as a full army.

Thats a VERY big thing, do you know what you are suggesting? are you sure thats what Iran is suggesting? do you think that's what both "camps" of Palestine want?

From what you wrote I understand you suggest all the native Arabs today, both Israeli and Palestinian, should create one state, that will make about 60%-40% in term of Jew - Muslim ratio, personally, I can live with that as long as we maintain a 50-50 ratio that seems about fair to me, that's not what Iran or Hamas say thou, they want about 10 m Muslims to be added, that's about 30-70% ratio, never will happen, they will not control us not in war and certainly not in peace, if that's your idea of peace that move on....

they are supposed to have a democracy over there.....the cities in the west bank are doing very well, we even work with them in Hi-Tech industry, the army is on the roads not in the cities or villages, same for Gaza, we are Occupiers there and will remain untill we have an agreement and cease of hostilities, you would suggest we let them vote in the country that occupies them??,

Oh ? who "made" us give Sinai back? how long passed since we won Sinai till we returned it? when Egypt was make peace - what Israel always asked for from its neighbors - then we returned it, perhaps the pressure was on Egypt,

Syria shot at us when it had Golan heights and during a "cease fire" - they had another excuse to shot at us then, they lost the right to preach us about aggression since then and if they want it back they need to crawl like maggots for us to consider, 67 was defiantly an Arab aggression while PLO shot at us from Jordan, Syria from the heights and finally Egypt closed the canal to Israel (an act of war by itself) and crossing tanks to Sinai - (*)(*)(*)(*) right we blew their jet fighters.......

link for that please, some recognized historian please (with no swastika tattoos if possible) or a real news section

It also what gives an underdog a chance to survive......check the numbers, no magic in real life, when the chances are against you , you die just like Kosovo or Rwanda, if THEY don't make peace then aren't we at war anyway?

The settelment are not for finacial gain, they were for security and took a religous natinal turn soon after, the gov didnt mind to let fanatics dwell there, I suppose they thought the matter would be resolved soon anyway, when it didnt we remained with the problem..

" economy built on stolen Palestinian resources" ???, where do you think we are? S Africa?? there are no diamonds in the rivers here, no gold either, actually hardly any rivers at that, no oil or coal, there is one stone quarry that produces for local consumption and to my knowledge run by Palestinians, farm lands? they dont produce as much as to say it "carries" the economy....hell, even many Jews dont buy wares from occupied terretories in principle, you are way off in your assumptions here,

The water may be an issue, i frankly don't know how the rivers and wells affect the area.

Israel is making many efforts to prevent an organized Jewish terror group like Hizballa, to differentiate us from Syria and Iran, can you really say that such gov sponsored terror groups are not an act of offense? Iran is VERY active in fighting Israel for decades, yes, I defintly see a scenario where Hamas and Hizbi heavily attack Israel for refusing to commit suicide and Iran to claim Israel is committing "genocide" in return and then bomb it, being led by a leader that CANT BE WRONG EVER his word is coming from GOD! , let put our hopes in a man that thinks wemen should be stoned if they touch another man, now imagine this guy think you are the devil.....

Your views on how Israel was born are extremely subjective as they compleatly disregard the rights of the 2nd nation that lived there ASIDE to the Arabs and since ever, European refugees were added to the existing settelment, not created it. the state Israel was born rightly against all chances and without friends aside of "moral" support by the US (only in the late 60 did we get real assistance), if I weren't secular I would say it was meant to be ....
frankly

 

what to be cognant of is that the folk that false witness what israel is, is why it is hated.

Israel is hated because of its own hypocracies/atrocities/oppression to human beings; Not because it is jewish!

 

That's it, in a nutshell.

To be honest, israel should barely be spoken about more than Wales.

But for as long as they violate law, they will never live in peace, not from their immediate neigbours, and beyond.

It's up to Jews to change this.

They can have 60 more years of what they have had, or they can have 60 yrs of being known as a fine little state, that is kind and charitable to non Jews.

They have to understand, when I see them wearing T Shirts that say 'One shot two kills', relating to murdering a pregant women, naturally I see that as neither the actions of a good guy, or even a tough guy.

I know some real old school hard men.

I show them stuff like that.

It doesn't impress them.

They think people like that are just cowards.

 

So is the statement by the British politician who said Israel won't be around forever, also an act of war?

Replaced with a government elected by all the people it rules over.

No, terrorists do not have the same impact as a full army. Compare any terrorist act, even the 9/11 attacks, to the bombing of Berlin or London in WW2. The impact is nowhere near the same.

There are no two camps of Palestinians. While Fatah is possibly the most corrupt political party on earth, Hamas are the elected leaders of the Palestinians. Radical as they are, they are not as radical as Israel, and their position is closer to the consensus of the international community, and international law, than is the position of Israel.

No, I was referring solely to what Iran is suggesting. Furthermore, I find the very idea of ''maintaining'' any demographic ratio to be abhorrent. Exactly how would you propose to ''maintain'' any such ratio?

The Palestinians rely heavily on international aid. But when Israel steals their arable land and water resources, and prevents freedom of movement including trade, it's not surprising that their economy isn't doing very well. I doubt the local economies in the bantustans in apartheid South Africa would have done very well, either.

Is it your opinion that the Nazis should have continued to occupy France, until an agreement and cessation of hostilities had been reached? It's amazing the double standards that are exposed when people try to argue in support of Israeli policies. Perhaps you think the RAF should have bombed Ireland when the IRA were carrying out their terrorist campaign in England?

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Personally, I would suggest that either Israel annexes the West Bank and Gaza and allows everyone who lives there to become Israeli citizens, OR Israel complies with international law by returning to it's internationally recognised borders, thereby ending it's illegal oppressive military rule. In either case, it would also be up to Israel to solve the refugee problem, which it created, by either allowing Palestinian refugees in the neighbouring countries to also become Israeli citizens, or persuading each of them, possibly by paying them, to renounce their right to return.

My position is that I extend the same rights to Israel as I do to any other country. Israel should have as much right to exist within it's internationally recognised borders, as any other country does. It should have no more right to exist outwith it's internationally recognised borders, than any other country does. It should have no more right to expel any portion of it's population than any other country does. For whatever I condemn Israel for, I would condemn any other country for the same.

Where did I say Israel was ''made'' to give the Sinai back? There is little point in creating a strawman position for someone, then criticising that position. If someone stole your land, then asked for peace while still occupying that land, would you agree? Should we have agreed to peace with Germany while they still occupied most of Europe?

Egypt has as much right to move it's troops around on it's own land as any other country does. The canal is/was on Egyptian soil, therefore it was up to Egypt to say who could and could not use it. You need to get away from the idea that Israel has a right to use the facilities of any other country, whether it's land, water resources, or a canal. And yes, the UK and France were equally guilty, and I condemn their actions just the same.

You also need to get away from the idea that just because one group of Arabs attacks Israel, Israel has the right to attack other groups of Arabs, or to steal their land.

Will this suffice?

http://archive.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/80858e/80858E0m.htm

Do you really expect the Palestinians and their allies to make peace with Israel, while Israel continues to occupy their land, stealing more land and displacing more Palestinians on an almost daily basis?

Could you explain how settlers living in a hostile foreign region, are more secure than if they lived in Israel?

I did not claim the settlements are for financial gain, but the fact remains the settlers gain financially from Palestinian land and resources.

Israel caused the problem, therefore the onus is on Israel to fix the problem.

The similarities are significant.

So Israel doesn't produce crops? It doesn't divert scarce water resources in the West Bank to Israeli settlements? They don't irrigate their crops using that water? Israel may have a high tech economy nowadays, but it didn't in 1948. Do you really think Israel could have survived had it not used stolen Palestinian land and resources? Where would factories be built? Where would the population get water?

Well of course it's an issue. You know Ariel Sharon stated that it was the cause of the 1967 war. So how could you be unsure as to whether it's an issue or not?

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Such fear mongering rhetoric is inconsistent with the facts. Hezbollah are a legitimate political party in Lebanon. Israel already has it's own political parties. Israel is more than just a government sponsored terrorist group, it is a terrorist state. Of course Hezbollah attacked Israel when Israel invaded Lebanon, just as the allies attacked Germany in WW2 when they invaded Europe.

What ''2nd nation''? How can a country born out of terrorism have been ''born rightly''? This is the main problem. Israel need to learn that stealing land and expelling the indigenous population is not right, it's wrong.

Dusty

 

And of course, Zionist Jews never use weird denouncements, and try to badger Americans from first amedment rights..

It's more than Palestine that is occupied...

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Look goy, they want your dollar, but they do not want you, or your goy seed!!


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Both sides violated the ceasefire.

 

If Israeli intel says Iran is researching how to build an atomic bomb, then they would be foolish not to act. I really wouldn't mind if Israel made a tactical strike against Iran's nuclear research sites. Capturing (not killing) the scientists, destroying their work, blowing up the compound, ect is ok with me.

 

Well, Israel already has a nuclear weapon. So does that mean Iran has the right to make a tactical strike on Israel's nuclear sites?

 

i hope the iranians treat the israelis the same way the israelis treat the palestinians.

 

I'm not saying Israel should do it just because Iran is going for nukes, I'm saying Israel should because Iran has made threats. Iran has no reason to make a tactical strike on Israel's nuclear facilities, Israel is not going to nuke any Iranian city. However the Iranian president has hinted at nuking Israel.

 

nooo israel has a LONG history of non violence