NPR: Obama Admin. Official- F-16's Could Have Gone to Benghazi from Aviano, Italy

Thats just the thing, you say its a lie, ie the officials and the experts are lying. You say there could have been useful assets over head in two hours or asked your friends for assistance.

The trouble is, according to the OP, there were not assets available, they could not have had boots on the ground so fast. And as for asking friends, have you ever seen the Italians in action? I have, I wouldnt expect them to organise much more than a dinner party in 7 hours.

Fascinating but your skeptiscism is curious. Your Fox reporter is part of a profoundly unreliable network, examples of which arent hard to find, and further there is no more than 'a source says there were denials of requests for help etc' have been rebutted both by the officials, the LA Times and the NY Times, and Washington Post.
The constant assertions and bogus insinuations made by Fox and conservatives have all unravelled in the subsequent reporting. Even your own Condoleeza Rice has appealed for people to wait on the investigation.

Yes, I have seen such footage. The reason the US can kill targets in Pakistan is because it has prepared to do that. And can take its time about it too.
What do mean a small amount of cannon fire? Isnt it a bit ludicrous of you to start going on about possible military options never having been on the job yourself and knowing little of the events that night or the real capabilities of the available assets?

Why on earth would this be a big story these days? The United States has been losing overseas personnel hand over fist for more than a decade now.

And whats wrong with the middle east policy? Its worked out great by any GOP standard.

What failure of will? They didnt refuse to protect these people. Thats just what your Fox 'reporter' told you.

They may be important stories in many respects, but its not 'Benghazi gate' and certainly doesnt deserve more coverage than hurricane sandy.

And your comments about Pravda etc are just so much cowardly lying bull, Ill bet you didnt mind when this same media gave Bush a pass on the invasion of Iraq in the light of 9/11.

 

Chickenhawk blather. The OP contradicts your assertion. And you dont have the experience.

 

Ok, so you explain what an F16 is supposed to do if there are no CLEAR targets to shoot at, and any targets they cannot see are in a densely populated civilian area where they are just as likely to kill US citizens they cannot see, as the hostile targets they cannot see?
Or should they have just bombed the entire area and hoped for the best, in your opinion?

 

The first four F16s that were 450 miles away should have been sent unarmed to get them in the air as quick as possible. Those planes could have made the flight in less than 30 minutes and flown over the attackers at 500 feet with full after burners. That alone would have cut the attacking force down by half or more if it didn't end it all together. Shortly after the first wave we could have had more F16 armed with the 250 pound JDAMs. It is true that if a 250 pound bomb hits your house it will be destroyed. But do you see innocent people staying in their house with terrorists firing mortars from the roof or even nearby?? The 250 pound JDAM is designed to keep the kill radius down and in deep penetration mode the 250s would have even a tighter kill radius. The ICA had laser designators so they could have killed the mortars in one pass.

 

With Obama preoccupied with packing his bags for the las Vegas fundraising trip who was available to approve a US response?

No one.

It's the same story as the German high command not being allowed to wake Hitler on D Day.

 

"the election has nothing to do with 4 American's being killed".....YOU SIR ARE A LIAR! It has everything to do with what happened/didn't happen in Benghazi....and what happened after. They really really expected the American people to fall for the video excuse....which btw....where is the guy that was thrown in jail for the video? It was only a probation violation, correct? So, I'm sure he should be out by now....this also has to do with the election. EVERYTHING DOES. Why else would this idiot fly to Las Vegas after he just watched 4 Americans DIE?!

 

And the mortars with the laser targets on them? The couldn't take those out either? That right there would have shown those terrorists that America was watching them....these men were not saved on purpose and the only ones who know why are the terrorists and this administration.

 

Typical. You don't even know the facts, nor do you care to know....it is obvious with this answer.

It is a fact that twice as many have died in Obama's 3 1/2yrs than in Bush's entire two terms.

 

That is not anyone says, youre making it all up because you have an agenda. No laser targetting, no taking out anything.

 

Uh yeah, go on tell us about Obamas huge troop losses.

 

Why? You cannot bring yourself to search for the truth about Obama?

 

Has anyone noticed that any time you search for something about Benghazi that all the liberal sites come up first? All facts are buried through pages of "fox news lies" BS websites.

 

They don't want to hear the reality of modern close air support. They want to cling to the excuses of the Obama admin despite several vets here saying that CAS could have saved lives.

Sometimes, people on the ground will call for air support to come "danger close" to deal with the enemy. Those former SEALs would know exactly what to do.

The truth is that Obama did not want an air strike to kill any Libyans. That would undo his already failed foreign policy in an election year. He rolled the dice and got two men killed. There is also the issue of the withholding of extra security. This is extreme recklessness by the president. The cover up is yet another serious issue. Obama sent his UN ambassador out to lie to the American people. That alone is worthy of a Nixonian resignation.

 

Psy ops. Didn't Facebook delete criticism of the One?

 

Sorry, you don't need a laser to set up an air strike. It's optimal but not mandatory.

 

Well I just thought since you brought it up youd have the decency to explain it. Sorry I shouldnt have expected that much of you.

 

The apparent ignorance of military operations is very apparent. The distance between Italy, where the F-16's were stationed, and Lybia is roughly 1,000 miles or double the combat radius for an F-16. At subsonic flight it would easily take over two hours just to get the Benghazi with arial refueling being required. The F-16 is predominately an air superiority fighter and not a ground attack aircraft although it can carry air to ground munitions. It takes about 5 minutes to set-up a mortar position and only seconds to move it. The likelihood of the F-16's arriving when a target was identifiable is almost zero. The munitions would probably have been 500 lb laser guided bombs which would destroy a large area and are not suited for attacking in a city environment with a pin-point target. The "on-station" time for the F-16's would have been very limited offering only about 15 minutes of air support. The attacks on the annex compound were not anticipated when the consulate was attacked nor was there any intelligence related to this attack before it occured. The attack itself only lasted for a very short time which would not have allowed the two hour deployment of F-16's from Italy to have been effective.

From a military perspective there was no reason to deploy the F-16's. They weren't the right aircraft, they were too far away from Lybia, and they wouldn't have provided a tactical advantage to the Americans at the annex.

 

Your Fox 'news' has scrabbled up hearsay from unamed sources. Game over.

 

Ohhhh I'm sorry. I forgot that your computer doesn't work, when actually trying to find information would be considered damaging to the prez.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.
According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

hmmmm....I know it's a tough one, but should I believe Chris Matthews or Jennifer Griffin?

 

Right so now there wasnt laser targetting, but it was ok because F16s can drop little munitions or 'buzz the area' with their afterburners and frighten the militia away right?

Desparate scrambling from chickenhawks with no knowledge or experience.

 

Wait....where did Don say there wasn't laser targeting?

 

Actually, they had lasers. But, you do not need them.

You left out 20mm cannons because you don't know what you are talking about. I do.

 

LOL...yeah I'm sure that's what happened, they just decided to get on national tv (some of the most reputable journalists in the country) and make (*)(*)(*)(*) up. No one thinks this is a game...except people like yourself.

 

Honestly I have noticed this a lot during the past month or so. The libs are flooding their sites, so that they move up on the google searches. Some of these sites I have never even heard of. Clearly a trick by the left....pretty smart actually. Nothing would surprise me with the lunatic fringe in our society, probably getting paid by the chicago machine to be on the internet for hours doing things like this.

 

Um well certainly not your fox reporter, her 'reporting' using 'sources' has already been rebuffed, such as the 'stand down' accusation;

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-cia-20121102,0,2438659.story

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/02/world/africa/cia-played-major-defensive-role-in-libya-attack.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...4c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html