Is it possible to be a Liberal Christian?

What do you believe in here? :

Matthew tells us that Jesus was born when Herod was king in Judea (Matthew 2:1). From other historical records, we know that Herod died in 4 B.C.E. To complicate the dating process, Luke's gospel repeats the Herod tradition (Luke 1:5) but adds that Jesus was also born when Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:1). From other historical records, we know that Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until the winter of 6/7 C.E., by which time Jesus would have been at least 10 years old. The stories do not add up.


There are still other discrepancies in the two biblical birth stories of Jesus. Matthew appears to believes that Mary and Joseph live in Bethlehem in a house over which a star can stop to bathe it in light. So he has to develop a story that will enable Jesus to move from Bethlehem, into Nazareth in Galilee--since Matthew had to deal with the fact that Jesus was known both as a Nazarene and a Galilean. So Matthew tells us that when the holy family returned from Egypt, God in a dream directed them to flee to Galilee, since Herod's brother was now on the throne and was regarded as a threat to Jesus' life.


Luke, on the other hand, believes that Mary and Joseph live in Nazareth. But in view of the fact that tradition suggested that the messiah had to be born in the city of David--Bethlehem--he had to develop a story that enabled Mary and Joseph to be in Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth. The proposed census ordered by Quirinius served his purpose.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Chr...ukes-Nativity-Accounts-Symbolism-Or-Fact.aspx

Bible booboo..

 

You don't understand. God does not tell people to do things by means of "words in their heads".

Conventional wisdom devoid of any understanding of the human psyche, is more like it.

 

I know of no other way for God to talk to anyone. Enlighten me.

 

What do any of those passages (which can be interpreted many ways) have to do with Christ's love of we humans and HIS want for our people to multiply? Which would be just the opposite of the liberal need to abort HIS children.

 

Hmmmm what did Jesus say about abortion again?

Oh thats right.....nothing.....

Odd isn't it that an issue that is so important to Christian Conservatives wasn't ever mentioned by Jesus?

Even though abortion and even infanticide were common during the Roman era.

 

Whether abortion and infanticide was common during the Roman era or not has absolutely nothing to do with Christ's wish for HIS people to multiply. Your comparing of oranges to apples doesn't fit with Christ's love for HIS people. Of course the word 'abortion' wasn't a part of the vernacular almost 2000 years ago. You think I've been misinterpreting Christ's words of "Be fruitful and multiply", when in atheistic reality what HE really meant was "Be selfish and abort at will?"

 

Weird. Even with all this abortion going on and China limiting how many babies a couple can have and we still have population growth. I think the be fruitful and multiply has occurred. Now how do we feed this multitude of humankind? Certainly not with the help of conservatives.

 

If one is convicted by conscience to do this or not to that, or that one should or should not have done such and such, that information is transmitted wordlessly from God to the soul; and if the thought subsequently arises in such words as "I should do this or that", such verbalization is merely a byproduct of the original communication.

 

I see you overlooked the fact that the former president George Bush gave more $$, food, and medical aid to parts of starving, AIDS infested Africa and elsewhere then any other president. Another fact is that most if not all of Europe is dying since the birth rates are reducing significantly over there. So we don't have population growth--we have birth rates dropping all over the world.

 

In your emotionally controlled opinion, of course they are. To rational people, promoting the ability to choose something is not quite the same as promoting that thing. For example, I support the right for my country to have a referendum on independence, but I intend to vote 'no' if that referendum is called.

I get tired of saying this, but it's not murder if it's legal.

 

And I get tired of pointing out that by this reasoning, exterminating Jews in Nazi Germany wasn't murder.

 

I am not twisting your words at all .. in fact .. I did not say anything directly about your words. What I was asking for was clarification on what you mean.

Lets take it point by point:

Conservatives did not add anything to the Bible. Bull .. As I showed you before .. there Bible is pro abortion. The conservative claim that the Bible is against abortion is a complete crock.


"merely rejoicing any and all Gods life on earth" Im not sure what planet you live on but on this earth .. God has created things such that humans must kill life in order to survive.

There is no difference between conservatives and liberals in this respect .... so what on earth are you talking about.

You are nattering meaningless, fallacious, and ignorant blubber.

 

Not by their own laws it wasn't, but by our laws it was. By 'our' laws I mean my own country, the UK, and also the US where most of the anti-abortion (perhaps I should take a clue from their book and call them anti-choice? Pro-enforced-parasitism? Or something equally designed to provoke an irrational emotional response?) brigade reside.

In other words, a 1940s german couldn't honestly call it murder. We can. And if you happen to live in a country where abortions are illegal, then I guess you could call abortion murder too. If the person to whom I am replying is in such a country, then apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion.

 

Where did Christ say "be fruitful and multiply" ?

Christ said he would tear families apart .. Paul said it was best that a man be without a wife.

 

Well how very interesting. Tell me, then, how many other countries would have to declare abortion to be murder before it became murder in the US?

Sure he could, if he understood, as most pro-lifers do, that killing with malice aforethought is a violation of natural law regardless of human codified law; and to put a finer point on it, the only way he could deny that the extermination of Jews was murder was to deny the existence of natural law, which he could not do honestly, any more than the pro-death crowd can.

 

How about it yguy, would you agree with this comment ? I personally do.

 

Genesis 1:28
Genesis 9:1
Genesis 35:11

the words increase in number had the same meaning as 'multiply'

 

Thought Genesis was the old testament. he did say Christ... XD

 

When did you stop beating your wife? Your question, and that one, are both poorly framed and leading. If humans colonized every one of the billions of planets we expect to exist in the galaxy, and each one had hundreds of countries, and every single last one of them declared abortion to be illegal, it would not affect the law in the US.

Ah, you should have said you were one of THOSE people. Yes, I suppose if you've placed your faith in natural law rather than something objective and not so vague and amorphous then I can see why you would believe that it's possible to argue that it's murder. Wrongly, I think, but understandable at least. If you consider natural law to be the standard then all I can say is: WHOSE interpretation of natural law?

 

Here is a chance to see if someone is capable of admitting he was in error.

 

Ah, I see you're doing your homework.

We should find it interesting that the first words GOD (JESUS) spoke to mankind in the book of Genesis were, "Be Fruitful and Multiply."

In Genesis GOD (JESUS) tells us "Be Fruitful and Multiply". In the Gospels Jesus tells us how we can bear fruit and bring forth a hundredfold.

Rather than continuing to repeat GOD's (JESUS's) words here, I would rather bring back my OP point that liberals seek to get abortions on demand with their pro death stance, while we Conservative Christians look to abide by GOD's (JESUS's) clear statement to "Be Fruitful and Multiply." I don't see any further need to twist this by playing semantics in order to realize the spiritual and life praising differences between libs/atheists and that of we Christians.

 

If we're pro-death then you're pro-slavery. Stop using false equivalence as a way to strike an emotional chord rather than rationally debate.

 

Way too equivocal to have any value. Ordering the murder of 6 million people is "not quite the same" as carrying it out personally, but the difference is unworthy of a moment's consideration.

No more so than the statement from which it naturally arises.

Not really. It just exposes an implication of your own words that you either hadn't thought of or didn't want others to think of.

IOW, your juxtaposition of US/British law against German law was a red herring. Thanks for clearing that up.

I'm pretty sure I've claimed to be a commonsensical person in this very thread.

You have no idea what you're talking about...

...so it doesn't matter what you think.

Since it requires no "interpretation", the question is nonsensical.

 

How about ordering gay people into a gay marriage as opposed to allowing them to marry, is that not quite the same ?

 

You lost me.