Move over republicans and make way for Libertarians

Today's Steyn: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/362922/phalanx-lies-mark-steyn Obama wants to really punish whoever is behind this "government thing." He and the media seem unaware at this time that he is.

"Obamacare is not a left–right issue; it’s a fraud issue."

 

With a clear political view biased toward socialism. No thanks.

 

You do realize that a true libertarian agenda would have broad appeal to social progressives don't you? Maybe it is the far wings of both parties that are going to need to "move over".

 

If you read it you will find the documentation impeccable.
It is your agenda that would cause you to find fault in it, not his.

 

I am pretty open minded but the guy who wrote it obviously had a political agenda. I am a former leftie so it probably won't blow my mind.

 

libertarians know that these corporate giants were created with significant help from government privilege, which they oppose.

 

And fairies and unicorns will buy all the stuff that civic minded capitalists will make with the money we give them when there's no market. They won't buy gold or commodities offshore because, after all, they're not in business to make money but to do good. Look how saintly they are, giving us all jobs out of the pure and radiant goodness of their hearts, while they make nothing off us at all.

The secret to liveable wages and good benefits IS a living wage and good benefits. This may sound like circular reasoning but it's what drove Ford to pay his workers twice the going rate so they could afford to buy his product, and that made Ford much more successful than any other car manufacturer. Somebody's got to BUY your product as well as make it. WHY is that so hard for conservatives to understand?

If you guys had your way computers would all still cost at least a million apiece and they'd only be used by specially trained accountants at Fortune 500 companies. They wouldn't be WORTH that much, mind you, but the profits would be kept by the manufacturers, and their sons and daughters, who would be the operators and sleep all day for a mere 250 grand annually while waiting for their trust funds to kick in.

Libertarianism is all bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Scratch one and you get a hard shell conservative every time. Their putative indifference to social conservatism is all bull(*)(*)(*)(*) too. They're just waiting until they've created the Koch Bros. utopia of a few rich and a multitudinous poor, then they'll offer subsistence for freedom and we will be forced to take it, as we were for several thousand years and as most of the world still does to this day.

 

And fairies and unicorns will buy all the stuff that civic minded capitalists will make with the money we give them when there's no market. They won't buy gold or commodities offshore because, after all, they're not in business to make money but to do good. Look how saintly they are, giving us all jobs out of the pure and radiant goodness of their hearts, while they make nothing off us at all.

The secret to liveable wages and good benefits IS a living wage and good benefits. This may sound like circular reasoning but it's actually just an illustration that economics IS a circle. It's what led Ford to pay his workers twice the going rate so they could afford to buy his product, and that made Ford much more successful than any other car manufacturer. Somebody's got to BUY your product as well as make it. WHY is that so hard for conservatives to understand? (and yes, I understand that Ford had to sell cars to a lot more than his own workers, but the principle is the same. If most of us are poor then very soon ALL of us, even including the rich, will be poor too. Ford's higher wages and greater productivity soon had to be duplicated by the other car manufacturers and spread to most industries within a decade. It's why we don't work 12 hour days on a swing shift giving us 24 every 2 weeks and still only get to eat meat about twice a year)

If you guys had your way computers would all still cost at least a million apiece and they'd only be used by specially trained accountants at Fortune 500 companies. They wouldn't be WORTH that much, mind you, but the profits would be kept by the manufacturers, and their sons and daughters, who would be the operators and sleep all day for a mere 250 grand annually while waiting for their trust funds to kick in.

Libertarianism is all bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Scratch one and you get a hard shell conservative every time. Their putative indifference to social conservatism is all bull(*)(*)(*)(*) too. They're just waiting until they've created the Koch Bros. utopia of a few rich and a multitudinous poor, then they'll offer subsistence for freedom and we will be forced to take it, as we were for several thousand years and as most of the world still does to this day.

 

Sorry about the double post. I thought I'd removed it and then edited the remainder, only to find it was still there and I couldn't take out the shorter one now.

 

Running as a third party/independent and getting under 1% of the vote=definition of retarded. Mightaswell not vote.

 

Libertarians have some good ideas, the problem is their good Ideas either (*)(*)(*)(*) off the republican base or (*)(*)(*)(*) off the democrat base. Some of their ideas totally (*)(*)(*)(*) off the independents.

Libertarians as a party arent going anywhere anytime soon. First of all they need a new leader, Ron Paul was a guy most everyone could respect in someway, his kid Rand isnt what his dad was in any way.


The word p*ss is filtered ?

 

The libertarians and are natural allies of the Tea Party.

 

Wouldn't have any of the "bad stuff" we did in it, would it?

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Except the Tea Party got co-opted by the Religious Right, natural enemy of libertarians. Find a pro-choicer in the TP.

 

"...the Tea Party got co-opted by the Religious Right..."

Taxcutter says:
Only in the eyes of the mendacious MSM.

 

Even worse, in 2000 Ralph Nader elected George Bush

They can't HANDLE the truth.

The Tea Party IS the RR, They somehow realized that the majority of Americans weren't going to become an American Taliban (probably due to the mind control rays that allowed Obama to be elected, it couldn't possibly be that most Americans actually WEREN'T religious fanatics) and they needed a new issue. Taxes are always good, even though our taxes are at historically low levels, and our time of greatest prosperity was also the era of our highest taxes ever.

 

"Libertarians" will rise to power just as soon as the psychopaths in charge manage to coopt that label into something they can use to give us a new "hope and change" bait & switch campaign, though obviously this time for the right instead of the left.

 

Go away fed authoritarians. Let the states handle the authoritarianism themselves.

Just a translation on this thread's title.

 

Libertarians are notorously hard to handle. They will rebel if they get screwed.

 

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Kind of like how the Dems needed to step aside and make way for the Greens? No, the libertarians are largely the root of the GOP's past, and the GOP is making (albeit slowly) a return to its past. We don't need the libertarians to split off from a party where they already have a place, it's just as foolish as environmentalists deciding to say f*** the Dems. If the Green party ended and re-integrated with the Dems, and the Libertarian party ended and re-integrated with the GOP, both would accomplish their goals to far better effect.

 

you libertarian types need to go back to school and actually learn this time. We tried libertarianism and it resulted in the labor movement and all kinds of government oversite. For a true understanding of how libertarianism works read "The Jungle" by Sinclair Lewis.

 

Libertarian ideologues can indulge in their airy-fairy pipe dream and pretend that the nation will mutate into militant atheist Ayn Rand's fantasy, but it's not going to happen.

The Pope's recent emphasis on the public expression of Christian morality is far more apt to have actual consequences, and real, advanced nations are already addressing the ethical mandate to a considerable degree.

"As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems."​

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Libertarians want to take over the United States! And then leave you the hell alone to do what you need to do.

 

I despise democrat republican circus, but what assurance is there that lp won't be the same if they win?

 

It never ceases to amaze me how Republicans claim to be good moral Christians whose political party reflects their religious outlook. Yet, so many of them (not all) worship at the feet of Ayn Rand who called Jesus Christ the biggest fraud in history. Rand's defense of "selfishness" is totally contrary to the teachings of Jesus. In the words of the New Testament, she was an "antichrist" and was one to be completely persona non grata to true Christians. The fact that so many Republicans adore her proves that many in that party do not subscribe to true Christian principles. By contrast, those who honor the Pope and his wise teachings which are based on the New Testament represent the embodiment of true Christianity.

 

Their odd excuse is that the moral imperative of the gospel message embraced by the People must never be expressed via a government of, by, and for those People, despite self-governance being an apparatus of expressing the popular ethos, and the U S Constitution expressly establishing as a primary purpose of that self-governance "to provide for the general welfare."

In irrational defiance of the irrefutable truth that all advanced nations integrate a responsible social welfare component into their structures, they rave "Socialist!, and insist that their version of religion relegates charity to private whim, as they embrace their ideal of puny government, the plight of the saddest societies on earth in stark, empirical contradiction of the airy-fairy Randian make-believe world they fancy.



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