Is the "Stand Your Ground Law" becoming a license to kill?

OK, then I investigate and find nothing amiss, make sure the door is in fact closed and locked, and go back to sleep. No harm, no foul. I'm not getting your point.

And yes, this is different from CCW scenarios. Those generally occur outside the home, where the situation may or may not be clear. If you come across 2 people in a parking lot pointing guns at each other, chances are one of them is the bad guy, and one of them is the good guy. But which one? If someone pulls a gun on you and demands your wallet, do you comply, or draw? You could end up dead either way. Lot's of things to consider...

 

Boy this is stupid. YOu are not being trained at all.

Look if you come across two people pointing guns at each other, you cannot differentiate who is the bad guy and who is not. It could be a drug deal gone bad or a boyfriend and ex boyfriend pointing guns at each other, or countless other scenarios. What you do in that situation is make sure you are not in the line of fire, call 911 and tell both of them you are calling 911 from a safe distance, if you choose to. If one or both start shooting at you, then you have no choice but to return fire. And most importantly, you are not a cop. You don't go in and escalate the situation that you have no control. What you just did was to become a willing participant to the whole thing and they can claim you threatened them.

If someone has a gun pointed at you, and emands your wallet or purse, then you give it to them. You don't draw. You observe everything from what they are wearing to marks on their clothes or body that you can see. You don't go following them and try to be hero.

 

Once a person invokes self defense they are automatically entitle to the pre-trial hearing. The judge may or may not go ahead an set aside a time for it.

"For now, Nelson has reserved the final two weeks of April for the immunity hearing. "
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/14/george-zimmerman-hearing-trayvon-martin-case_n_2685521.html

The defense declined it and never invoked SYG just simple self defense. And it was the media that conflated all self-defense with SYG thus ANY discussion of self-defense became a SYG even though O'Mera was quite clear they were invoking simple self-defense not SYG.

"The legal team representing George Zimmerman in the high-profile Trayvon Martin case opted to waive his right to an immunity hearing under Florida’s controversial ‘Stand Your Ground Law.’

Under Florida’s SYG statute, an individual who invokes the self-defense law that allows one to use deadly force against an attacker if one reasonably believes his or her life is in danger is entitled to a pre-trial hearing before a judge.

At the SYG hearing, a judge can drop the criminal charges and grant immunity from civil prosecution if the defense attorney provides clear and convincing evidence that the his or her client acted in self-defense.

The decision to forgo the SYG hearing and put the case before a jury was deliberate and something that Zimmerman’s lead attorney, Mark O’Mara, had been planning since early March.

“We decided to focus on the idea that George wants to have a jury of his peers decide his case,” O’Mara told reporters last month, according to the Associated Press. “And it’s going to be, I think, a more accepted result for everyone who has to accept the result — that he gets an acquittal at trial, more so than an immunity hearing given by a judge.”

On Tuesday, before Circuit Court Judge Debra Nelson it was made official. Zimmerman told the judge he would not request a bench mini-trial."
http://www.guns.com/2013/05/01/zimm...ial-stand-your-ground-immunity-hearing-video/

It was never requested

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*), sherlock. I was merely pointing out hypothetical CCW scenarios you might encounter in the real world. There was no specific reason I chose this one, it just came to mind. Were I to encounter what I described, if it were possible, I would remove myself from the line of sight and call the police. What my actions would be were that not possible would depend upon what was.

And if they shoot you anyway? Kind of silly to die with a weapon available that you made no effort to use. Kind of like being voted out of Survivor with an immunity idol in your pocket, unplayed.

 

This proves you wrong.

http://frederickleatherman.com/2013/03/08/combining-the-immunity-hearing-with-the-trial-in-the-zimmerman-case-is-a-terrible-idea-part-ii/

The hearing in April is exactly what the link is describing.

 

It does nothing of the sort, they never requested a SYG hearing, the judge reserved time for it but it was never requested.

"Judge Nelson told Mark O’Mara that, if the defense wanted an immunity hearing, she wanted to hold it prior to trial sometime during the last two weeks of April. She reserved those two weeks for the hearing and told O’Mara to file an appropriate motion prior to that time, if the defendant decided to ask for one."

 

That wasn't a hypothetical situation you might encounter there. Ir is more like you feel someone is following you, your car is stranded on a part of town that may or may not be safe, you see two people arguing and think you see a gun, or you walk into a robbery at a store. In most situations, your best bet is not to pull out that gun of yours and simply call 911, if you can. If you cannot, try to find a way to escape or get out of the area before you are noticed and then call 911.

But the point I was making is that in most cases, the chances of using your CCW is just as remote as seeing two people pointing guns at each other.

If they were going to shoot you, they would have done it BEFORE they demanded that purse or wallet. Even at close range, there is a chance you would either miss, wound, or not the get the job done quick enough. Besides, guns make loud noises and robbers do not want that. The gun is being used, generally, as intimidation.

But hey, if you want to challenge the law of physics, be my guest. A person already having a gun on you is less than a second for firing the weapon. ti takes you 3 to 4 seconds to pull out that pistol and fire. Care to guess who will win that battle 9 times out of 10. Not great odds.

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then I would say you are not following Florida law and the procedures set in place by two court rulings.

 

You sound like a perfect slave. Stay seated slave or I will shoot you in the head. Because I simply told you so. The victim had no weapons on his person and was no threat to the officer who clearly is a cold blooded murderer.

 

A month or two ago, in the next county over, a person was confronted by an armed robber, complied, and was shot, and killed, anyway. Oops.

 

Good luck with that attitude. When an officer is executing an arrest warrant and pulls up beside your car, if you ignore the order to stay seated, and pop out of the car with a knife in your hand, you're going to get shot. Every time. I've read the FULL report about this incident. Have you? He was armed, despite your attempts to deny that.

 

he was not armed. there was a knife in the bed of the vehicle. despite that there was less than a second before he shot the suspect after telling him to drop the knife. You are wrong it was murder.

 

You did not read the report. Forensic analysis of the video proved that he had a knife in his hand as he exited the vehicle. The officer was cleared. If you want to argue that you're right and the video evidence is wrong, be my guest.

 

Yeah sure. Let me guess the state, who gives the power to the police cleared their executioner. Who would have thunk!

 

That type of issue is rare and it is always a risk one has to take if you are being robbed at gunpoint.

the fact is that 99 time out of a hundred, if a person is going to rob you at gunpoint, it is best to comply. you do it for several reasons, one you are already at a disadvantage. YOur concealed weapon is concealed and any move to obtain it will be noticed. Second, money, credit cards, and so forth can be replaced, generally. The thief is not going to get much out of most people in the land of plastic. Finally, the robber is also nervous, agitated, or unsure of themselves. Getting out of the situation is best. Doing anything stupid is going to get you killed anyway.

 

Why don't they just make it so that ordinary citizens can only buy rubber bullets?

 

Of course it's rare, of all the people I know who have carry permits, only ONE of them has ever had to brandish a weapon, and that was at home, so wasn't even a concealed carry situation. But fires are also rare. Doesn't stop me from having a fire extinguisher. Fatal car accidents are also rare. Doesn't stop me from having an airbag...

Actually, I want to learn to do this as good as this guy can...

[video=youtube;1G9Pd52Dp-M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G9Pd52Dp-M[/video]

 

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WatchyougotagainstGingivitis!?

 

This from a liberal who wouldn't blink at Obama sending out hit squads.........

 

I despise Obama.. He is THE worst president EVER.

There is a clear police and authoritarian problem brewing in this country.

 

I like your flag man.

 

Thank god emergencies are rare!

 

Are you implying (or outright stating) that you think armed victims are endangering themselves, rather than empowering themselves?

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