Libs, get a clue.It isn't Whites or racism holding Blacks down.

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  1. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    Hey, no offense, but one should not care about your skin tone even if you're not a decent guy...
     
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    ErikBEggs New Member

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    I recognize that not all people can be rich. Capitalism needs poor people.

    Afluenza.

    Lobbying.

    Larger professional networking

    Private schools

    Public school systems funded off wealthy tax bases.

    We can go on.

    And if they burn the house down?

    I don't think anyone advocates leaving young children home alone. This is already tried. In the case of a mother leaving young children at home while she works, any accident that could harm the child brings an intervention from child protective services. That usually results in the children being taken from them.

    People have already tried this scenario before.

    If you want her to work, subsidize day care.
     
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    If the property value remains the same. White flight still exists.
     
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    ErikBEggs New Member

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    Bingo.

    Our work here is done.

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    Do you think blacks support this (*)(*)(*)(*)?

    I certainly don't. This is some hyper-liberal Black Panther back to Africa movement.

    Seriously, those guys are whackos and aren't taken seriously in the black community anymore.
     
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    ErikBEggs New Member

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    As we saw in Detroit and many inner cities....

    Blacks move in.. foreclosures go up. Lower incomes mixed with overzealous mortgage lenders.
     
  6. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well that all depends on the usual conduct of the race wouldn't it? If most Black, Hispanics, Whites, Chinese are pretty decent people, your right, it shouldn't matter what color your skin is.
     
  7. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    How do any of those things take away opportunity from the poor?

    If the child is not skilled at cooking, that's why I said leave them a sandwich or something.
    Of course, no one wants the children to be left at home, but if the parent has no relative, can't afford daycare ect., and can't bring them to work,
    there's really no other choice.

    Subsidize how? You mean socialism?

    -Atem
     
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    Frank Grimes New Member Past Donor

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    agreed, chuck it



    Do you know what anecdotal evidence is? you are using it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achievement_gap_in_the_United_States

    It was the liberal public education crown jewel of ohio, not some black panther backwater, why would I not use it since some 70% of blacks live in the inner city? Desegregation failed, that was the very point.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/education/09gap.html?_r=0
    The data was distilled from highly respected national math and reading tests, known as the National Assessment for Educational Progress, which are given to students in fourth and eighth grades, most recently in 2009. The report, “A Call for Change,” is to be released Tuesday by the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools.

    Although the outlines of the problem and many specifics have been previously reported, the group hopes that including so much of what it calls “jaw-dropping data” in one place will spark a new sense of national urgency.

    “What this clearly shows is that black males who are not eligible for free and reduced-price lunch are doing no better than white males who are poor,” said Michael Casserly, executive director of the council.



    do you understand the point of stimulus? It has not worked

    Not at our levels, we are debasing the dollar. 1997-2001, expansion without deficit.



    no, but I have been around enough to know they keep their mouth shut.



    and the president is black, the universities and senate are liberal, and the courts are being stacked. Your last two lines once again prove the point that blacks see race in everthing. What puzzles me is why the hell anyone would stay in the US under those circumstances, there are plenty of nations where everything is BLACK BLACK BLACK.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We already subsidize daycare for the poor.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't it funny that government caused al that trouble down South trying to integrate the White schools with Blacks and now fund schools that are strictly for Blacks because they can learn better there?
     
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    of course blacks supported it, you think whites wanted this thing built?
     
  12. Meta777

    Meta777 Moderator Staff Member

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    And it sounds like ErikBEggs over here wants to subsidize it even more.
    But why should we even be subsidizing it at all? I mean seriously,
    why should I have to pay for daycare for someone elses kid?
    Just because a parent made some bad decisions in life
    is no excuse for imposing socialism on the rest of us.

    -Atem

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    I believe most people are fairly decent...so then by that logic, skin tone should not matter at all. It should be irrelevant to what someone thinks of you.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But it seems like Blacks are constantly complaining that they can't make it here because of racism and Whites control everything. Wouldn't they be happier where there are few Whites to hold them back, no racism and Blacks controlled everything?
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, I would hope we would do it because we are a compassionate people and realize we all make bad decisions some times and a woman might need help because her husband dies, left her, or wound up being no good and she had to leave him. Should she not be given some help with day care if she is willing to help herself by working?




    Most people are. But there are also some groups that their conduct rubs off on all their race. Much like Muslims. I am sure most Muslims are good people. But we have enough bad ones that it reflects on all Muslims to a degree.
     
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    Uh, do you know how a negative flat income tax works? It's not the same as a flat tax, it simply has a flat tax rate.

    (Income)*(flat tax rate) - (universal tax credit) = income tax
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no problem helping anyone who is willing to help themselves. It's those that don't want to work and are willing to let society keep them up.
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd lke to see us do what Roosevelt did and put people to work for their welfare if they are able to. I think most people wouldn't be so against welfare if that happened. There is plenty of jobs to make that work without taking jobs from the average person. What do people think about that idea?
     
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    If blacks are on par with white people why are they incarcerated, poor, uneducated and unable to take care of themselves without government help?

    BTW not all blacks are inferior. There are a few black billionaires.
     
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    Then next time america should vote for a completely black president i suppose. The darker the skin the better? I thought politics was not about skin colour though. If you need a black president to show that you are not racist then you really are racist inside.
     
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    Hey if you want to give her a couple of charity dollars to help her out, then that's OK with me, but why should the tax payers be forced to pay for her kid when she was the one who made the mistake of having a child by an unreliable "husband" at a young age out of wedlock?
    You're saying its the tax-payer's job to support her kid now?
    And yeah, I get that some of these women are willing to work and all, but how is that justification for socialism?

    So by rub off on, you mean reputation-wise. Stereotyping. Yes, that may be how the world is, but that does not make it right or even logical.
    To that second point, consider that there are roughly 2.6 million Muslims living in the U.S.
    According to FBI statistics from 2010 through 2012 there were 41 Muslim Americans indicted on terrorism plot charges (or related) during that time-span. According to the same source, 33 Americans have died to Muslim terrorism since 9/11.

    What this means is that if you happen to bump into a random Muslim on the street somewhere, there is less than a 0.0016% chance that that Muslim is planning or will plan to blow you or other Americans up in a terrorist attack within any given three year window. (non Muslims commit 90% of terror attacks)
    It also means that you are twice as likely to die in one of these rare mass-shootings, in which case your murderer would most likely be white.
    ...And yet people continue to fear that every Muslim they meet is going to blow them up in a terrorist attack.

    Like I said, such thinking defies logic, but at the same time it is also unfair to the Muslims, especially seeing as their sharing a skin-tone with what is such a small subset of their population in no way grants them some extra ability to control the actions of that subset.
    Plus, add to that the fact that you cannot actually tell a Muslim by their skin-tone (so perhaps I should have said religion up there)...
    either way, hopefully you get my point, such stereotypes are illogical, unfair, and in some cases damaging to all parties involved.

    People should be judged by their actions. Their actions. Not by their skin-tone, and not by the actions of people who merely share their skin-tone.
     
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    Supposing if by helping these so called people who want to help themselves we inadvertently end up helping a few of the moochers?
    Sure, there are ways we can root out the moochers, but there's never going to be any way for us to rid them all from the system.
    Would you honestly say that the prospect of helping those who want to help themselves is worth that risk?
     
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    Geez, Roosevelt was like the first and probably one of the biggest American socialists ever.
    And that whole New Deal thing smacked of socialism too,
    but you know the more I stop and think about it, the more I think an idea something like yours could work.

    In fact, I've always thought we should be doing more to improve our infrastructure, teach our children, and see to some basic needs.
    Could stuff like that fit in with what you had in mind? But if so, then how would all that be funded? I don't know, I kind of like the idea of people working for their welfare as opposed to just getting handouts, but the whole thing still seems kinda socialist depending on the source of funding.
    I'm curious to see what others thoughts are on this matter.....
     
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    It's true, not only did our immigrants not have those advantages many had a language problem as well, language can hold a person back just about as much as anything else, but did they need society to bend to their language problem, or did they handle it themselves?
    They handled it in the home....

    There can be no question strong families produce children that have a step up on broken families, and I believe most will agree with that. While I can strongly agree with this I can also agree racism has played it's part. Thing is, it is easier to strengthen your own family then it is to rely on racism just disappearing.

    It is never wise to depend on the other fellow to help with your problem, better to handle as much as you can by yourself. I believe this is the answer to this debate, home first Government second. What many see is the reverse, the families that realize this will advance faster than others, as will their children's children as well.
    This is how the cycle is broken, and is why the Government can be just as much of the problem as it can be beneficial.
     
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    Its also shouldn't be the responsibility of the taxpayer to fund all of these out of wedlock babies.

    The truth is, many leeches pop out kid after kid because it allows them to get more money from the government. More kids should not equal more money.
     
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    Detroit is the prime example of liberalism in action. Haven't elected a republican in over half a century. Don't get me started on Detroit, I live in Michigan, so I know quite a bit about why Detroit has failed miserably.
     
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