The Truth about Chris Christie by (another) Jersey Guy

Someone wrote that scientists think there is a connection between Hurricane Sandy and global warming,. I know a little about the weather and find such findings to be political.

Engineered traffic jams have happened before. One of Al Gore's staff members caused a traffic jam in New Hampshire during the 2000 campaign to prevent Bill Bradly voters from reaching the polls on time to vote. Gore was irate at first.

This scandal does make Christie look bad, but were it not for his threat to Hillary, should she run, it would be a local affair. The Democratic press and politicians are attempting to destroy Christie as they do to Republicans when the other party gives them an opening

Christie's reaction of surprise sounds a lot like Obama's modus operandi. Only in Obama's case, people died in Benghazi and others are losing their insurance and doctors. I will worry more about Christie after the press attacks Obama's lies in similar fashion.

 

And Obama lying about the ACA is not childish behavior? Before you start pointing fingers before the facts come in concerning Christie, you might want to clean your own home first.

 

Well Flyboy, let me ask you a question. Do you know what a logical fallacy is? It's a trick used in arguments to score point when you have no real case for whatever it is your trying to get across. You have used at least 3 in 2 sentences here:

1. A weak analogy : Many arguments rely on an analogy between two or more objects, ideas, or situations. If the two things that are being compared aren’t really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy. There is no conspiracy surrounding the ACA. Some unintended consequences and bumps in the road but no conspiracy. Now before you invoke Benghazi, let me remind you that those conspiracy theories have been thoroughly debunked. Contrast that with the fact that the depths of the Christie administrations felonious behavior are just emerging .

Secondly, you're using the ACA as a red herring, raising a side issue that distracts the audience from what’s really at stake.

Third, and the most egregious of all, is an appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, in this, talking about Christie's issues but not about these other issues. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument.

So, lets stick to the OP and just talk about Christie

 

He continues his war on LGBT people even thought his 2016 prospects are sputtering:

Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a bill today that would have permitted people who underwent a clinical sex change procedure to amend their gender designation on their birth certificates.
Christie said changing a birth certificate would create opportunities for "fraud, deception and abuse, and should therefore be closely scrutinized and sparingly approved."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ss...der_people_to_get_new_birth_certificates.html

 

So, guilty before proven innocent? You're not from around these parts are you boy? Democrats are looking pretty silly labeling Christie as either incompetent or a liar. It just keeps reminding people of what we know are facts about Obama. Oh, and Christie's ratings are as strong as ever. Can't say that about Obama can we.

 

oops, I didn't say "allegedly felonious" but I don't recall you guys expressing any doubt about the accusations that you level at Obama either. In any case I'm not going to get sucked into a discussion about anything or anybody not having to do with Christie on this thread. I've documented enough dirt on him to sink a battleship. You should read through it. I suspect that he jack booted goons will be at my door before the night is out .

 

What parts would that be snoopy?

 

Christie is done, you can forget about him, he's over, this "little incident" destroyed his whole white house strategy, he had to fire the guy who was supposed to run his presidential campaign, and here's the big difference between Christie and Hillary Clinton, the GOP has been fabricating lies about Hillary Clinton for over two decades, nobody believes any of it now, except the core cult.
So when you say "She got four people killed in Benghazi" people dismiss it as more of the nonsense that they have come to expect.
Nobody has been attacking Christie, nobody has been lying about him, so he doesn't have any immunity, it all sticks, and he is lying about it, you can't get away from that, he's toast.

 

Well in that case somebody ought to tell the voters that.....
http://www.politicalforum.com/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=599900

 

The voters?
If he ran today he'd lose, and his numbers are declining, and his whole strategy has been undermined, he was just forced to distance himself from his closest advisors, the people who were supposed to run his campaign for 2016.
This isn't like tossing another piece of crap at Hillary Clinton, who has been thoroughly immunized against attacks, this is a golden boy, wait no, he's not a golden boy, he's an angry fat man, and he's mean..see how it works...

 

The scandal is still unfolding, and folks in New Jersey are of differing minds, as one would expect.

It is only his national ambitions that have been stifled so far by the revelations.

Christie's own words attacking Boehner and House Republicans when they failed to provide hurricane relief funds will come back to haunt him if he tries to take his act on the road:

"Unfortunately people are putting politics ahead of their responsibilities... You do the right thing. Enough with all the politics!"

"Last night, the House majority failed the most basic test of leadership and they did so with callous disregard to the people of my state. ... It was disappointing and disgusting to watch."

"Americans are tired of the palace intrigue and political partisanship of this Congress" ​

As his mentor and ally, former Republican Governor Tom Keane delivered the verdict for the GOP establishment with ambivalent finality:

“On the one hand, I think he’s got a lot to offer. I think he’s the most able politician since Bill Clinton,” Kean (R) said in an interview with The Washington Post. “On the other hand, you look at these other qualities and ask, do you really want that in your president?”​

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The "public" has it's head where the sun don't shibe. That's why, in part, he was re-elected However, the ones who count do not have theirs head up their buts and do care:

The Port Authority Inspector General
The House Transportation Committee
The US Attorney
The bi Partisan Legislative Committee
Special Prosecutor Reid Schar who was hired by said committee

As far as the IRS thing goes....give it up. It's a logical fallacy in the form of weak analogy . If the two things that are being compared aren’t really alike in the relevant respects, the analogy is a weak one, and the argument that relies on it commits the fallacy of weak analogy. Now before you invoke Benghazi, let me remind you that those conspiracy theories have been thoroughly debunked as has the IRS "scandal". Contrast that with the fact that the depths of the Christie administrations felonious behavior are just emerging .Even if they were analogous, it would be a cheep diversionary tactic, a red herring if you will.

In addition, it is an appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, in this, talking about Christie's issues but not about these other issues. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument.

So, lets stick to the OP and just talk about Christie

 

I would expect a Hussein Obama loyalist to say something like that.

 

Why can't the obsessives that are alienated from America keep on topic?

This thread is not about the President of the United States. (Nor about anyone who is now likely to ever be elected President of the United States.)

 

Is that all you have to say in response to my post?

 

The only thing he ever did right was stuff his fat face.

 

She was not immunized when she ran against Obama,,,funny huh? The exact same people that slammed her will back her...LOL

I think the Repubs themselves may do him under, the Southern states are not fond of Yankees. If he is stopped, I think that's how it might happen.

 

The law of which you wrote gives broad powers to put such monitors on people accused of jay walking. Not even convicted.

Now, lets say we put a monitor on someone truly dangerous. This person knows their "target" visits a certain place regularly. The killer just stalks that area. Kristen Lardner caused a lot of introspection in my parts. She was murdered by a stalker in public. She had a restraining order on the monster. An armed public, with her having a gun herself for her own protection, might have served her better. As it is, had the police known the stalker might be near Kristen (through the use of monitors), they had every legal right to say, "well, we're really tired today. You're on your own."

You are always supposed to know 1) Be wary of giving Government power and 2) You are on your own. You are ultimately responsible for your own protection.

 

Obama was a better candidate than Clinton, but he can't run in 2016, and there isn't anyone in the GOP who comes close to being able to get a majority in 2016.

 

Christie is getting karma back, baby. He's a stupid turd huckster, IMO, Not because he is Republican but because he is an outrageous fool. Bridgegate will be his undoing.

 

FLASH
Hot off the press via the Paul web site.

Study: Chris Christie's New Jersey Least Economically Solvent State in U.S.​

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/16/Study-Christie-s-New-Jersey-Least-Economically-Solvent-State-In-The-U-S
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George Mason University's Mercatus Center released a working paper Thursday ranking the solvency of the 50 states by a number of factors--from "liquidity and budgetary balance" to "reliance on debt to finance current and long-term expenditures and ability to pay for essential services." They further subdivided the category of solvency generally into cash solvency, budget solvency, long-run solvency, and service-level solvency.

The study finds that New Jersey is in the worst financial state of any state in the union generally, while also being the worst in budget and long-run solvency. New Jersey's highest ranking on any list, #39, is for service-level solvency, though the statistics used for this study predate the spike in service needs after Hurricane Sandy. It also has the worst per-capita budget deficit in the nation.
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Wow ! Could Governor Jerry Brown of California beat him on this issue. We have a surplus


Moi

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Just one month ago, Chris Christie only trailed Hillary Clinton by 3-points in a hypothetical 2016 contest. But now that the Bridge-Gate scandal has blown up in New Jersey, the former First Lady and Secretary of State has regained her commanding lead over Christie. According to a brand new NBC News-Marist poll taken January 12-14, Clinton has a crushing 13-point lead, 50%-37%.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/17/christie-trailing-clinton-13-points/

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On MSNBC, which conservatives refer to as the &#8220;liberal media,&#8221; Rachel Maddow has followed the scandal intensely. Her effort has revealed that Christie LIED when he said his staff had no knowledge of the situation until it was already over with. In fact, multiple newly obtained emails show otherwise. As it turns out, everyone from deputy chief of staff Bridget Anne Kelly to state director of departmental relations Christine Genovese Renna to Christie aide Evan J. Ridley to incoming chief of staff Regina Egea to Christie campaign manager Bill Stepien to Christie spokesperson Michael Druniak knew about the scandal as it was happening. A micro-manager like Christie is unlikely to not know what his staff is doing. So, Christie is either totally incompetent or he lied. Period.

Here&#8217;s the video of the Rachel Maddow segment. http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/01/17/christie-trailing-clinton-13-points/

 

And there goes the Christie road to the White House.
The strategy was based on his being able to point to the polls, and proclaim to the GOP, with the evidence in hand, that he was the only viable candidate, now that he's in the "We'd all get clobbered by Clinton" Club, it's all about who is the most conservative, and the only worse case scenario than that is for it to be based on Body Mass Index...

 

Of course he was, one just has to look at the overwhelming experience he had over her.........

 

Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer charged on MSNBC's "Up With Steve Kornacki" show Saturday morning that New Jersey Governor Chris Christie held Hurricane Sandy relief funds hostage to force her to approve a development plan that overly favored one specific property holder.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/18/christie-sandy-money_n_4622869.html