Obamacare Is Succeeding!

Except it's a fact. They pay less for more. We pay more for less.

 

I provided the leftist link that shows otherwise. That you can't do rudimentary research is your problem, not mine.

How about you attempting to prove your point using an official site or a non-partisan site or a non-media site.

A government, especially our government, providing MORE coverage for less money is as lunatic as anyone could hope to believe. It not only does not happen, it cannot happen.

 

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/07/209585018/paying-till-it-hurts-why-american-health-care-is-so-pricey
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown...how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries.html
http://www.npr.org/series/91972152/health-care-for-all
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-many-myths-of-european-health-care/

I can keep going of you really want. We pay more for less. They pay less for more. I'd let it go before you embarrass yourself further.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/utah-medicaid-expansion#


Utah Will Expand Medicaid Under Obamacare





Utah will expand Medicaid under Obamacare, its Republican governor said Thursday.

"Doing nothing ... I’ve taken off the table. Doing nothing is not an option," Gov. Gary Herbert said at his monthly news conference, according to the Salt Lake Tribune.

The state legislature has endorsed two plans for expanding Medicaid through private coverage, as Arkansas has already done. Under one plan, Medicaid dollars would pay for people up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level to purchase private insurance on HealthCare.gov. The alternative plan would use Medicaid dollars for people up to the poverty level to buy private coverage on HealthCare.gov; those above the poverty level would receive federal tax subsidies to help purchase insurance through the federal website.

It's not clear which strategy the state will adopt, and Herbert didn't express a preference. Medicaid expansion would cover 60,000 Utahans, according to the Tribune. Utah would be the 26th state, along with Washington, D.C., to accept expansion.

A privatized Medicaid expansion plan would require approval from the Obama administration, but federal officials have already signed off on a similar plan in Arkansas.





Thousands more lives to be saved.


Thank you President Obama!!!

 

That 90% didn't need to enroll in Obamacare. There are alternatives. You can go without or you can still buy your own private coverage.

 

I wish people would stop getting this wrong. There is no "obamacare" plan. The ACA is a law which governs all health insurance policies. All health insurance is "obamacare"

 

Succeeding by failing?

We ALL know the Obama administration wouldn't lie........right?

Cover Oregon head: State might scrap all or part of failing website

Independent report slams MNsure leaders, says state should consider scrapping system

Already two states looking at scrapping their Obama Care websites.

 

"How about you attempting to prove your point using an official site or a non-partisan site or a non-media site."

Did you miss that part of the challenge?

You post links to 4 totally useless leftist vomitoriums. They sprout lies 24/7/365.

I gave you a link to a GOVERNMENT sponsored site. An org. that the US Govt has belonged to and supported for 30 years.

Sorry you are unqualified to do basic research.

OECD, nearest year, Out of Pocket percent of TOTAL health care expenses.

USA 11.8%

Australia- 18.6%

Belgum-19.4%

Canada- 14.2%

Finland 19.2%

France-7.3%

Germany-13.2%

Greece-38.4%

Japan-16.0%

New Zealand-10.5%

Norway-15.0%

Switzerland-25.1%

United Kingdom-8.8%

I'd venture that some nations reporting is suspect in light of their immediate neighbors much higher out of pocket expenses. But I have not researched their accuracy.

The USA at 11.8%,,,,,,INCLUDES,,,,,,,,The 33% higher costs we have from Medicare and Medicaid. And the costs incurred by private sector health care. And when you look at Medicare and Medicaid, we find that the USA has MORE people or for a longer TIME than any other nation on government supplied health care. Our experience exceeds all nations in quantity of experience or in chronology of experience, and mostly BOTH.

And our experience tells us, IF WE ARE INTELLIGENT, that our govt health care costs in excess of $11,000. per year per person, WITH unreasonable low price controls. And our private sector health care with nothing but free market influences, costs $7000.00 per year per person.

Japan, oft used by liberals as a shining example, is in the process of its UHC collapsing.

The UK with oop costs below the USA has UNDENIABLE death waits for serious medical conditions.

I have repeatedly said that I am NOT philosophically opposed to govt health care. IF the govt COULD do health care better than the private sector, then FINE. But we have over 200 years of experience and THOUSANDS of govt programs that PROVE the govt cannot do anything near as well as the private sector.

 

"Long waiting lines for many expensive procedures. Denying care to many. Very high average tax rates. Why do you ask?"

I wanted to say, "of course you are a liar" but that would be impolite. Is there evidence for your claims? Or better still, why wouldn't someone who believes he is about to get something of value that someone else must pay for complain?

How do the taxpayers feel about this additional theft?

 

"The government has taken a large amount of money from me every month to fuel this Ponzi scheme for about 40 years. They will pay me a fraction of what I could have earned in the stock market. It is an unconstitutional program and should be eliminated. But getting back what I paid in is hardly freeloading. Nice try. You really are a fraud."

I have done well in the stock market. That was not the point. There is no basis in the Constitution. Hamilton argued that the general welfare clause meant the government can do whatever it wants. This is tyranny and deserves its revolution.

Everything else you wrote was mere piffle.

 

The way to turn the unemployed into the employed is to reduce the massive regulatory burden on job creators. If we rescind all regulations passed after 1980 we will see an enormous number of new jobs.Or we can sit on our thunbs.

 

" As a retired military officer I have been lied to. In a few years I will leave Tricare and move to Medicare. I despise my government because it has broken every promise it has ever made to me.
I have paid for Medicare for about 40 years. But I have never wanted it. And now I will be forced into it along with the drones who did nothing for their country.

And of course I will continue to pay and pay and pay."

Do you agree and are you willing to support a law that requires someone to opt in to any government program? I never would have agreed to medicare and social security. Do you agree that everyone subjected to the massive wealth redistribution schemes like Medicare, Social Security and Obama's Scam should be required to opt in before being raped by one government bureaucrat after another?

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Why am I not surprised that a left wing fraud would miss the point?

 

Given that you are a fraud on every other level who is to know? I am giving you the poster the benefit of the doubt.

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One can take a pill now for what ails you.

Liberty means I get to choose for me and you get to choose for you. Is this a difficult concept for you?

 

Do you believe that anyone should be responsible for anything?

 

Sorry, but I just refuted your argument. We pay more for less. They pay less for more.

 

You live in a fantasy world of lies. And evidently cannot read.

 

It would also make you appear inadequate. Many dogmatic ideologues who do not have the ability to present a credible opposing view or sustain it with supportive data resort to just blurting our, "Liar!" lately, so I credit you with avoiding that temptation.

You may not be very familiar with the health care systems of advanced nations and merely swallow the anecdotes spouted by folks with an agenda. I suggest you acquaint yourself with the various national systems, relative cost, and level of satisfaction.

This is why other folks regard their systems more highly:

U.S. Ranks Last Among Seven Countries on Health System Performance Based on Measures of Quality, Efficiency, Access, Equity, and Healthy Lives​

 

I just showed you reality.

 

Evidently Lady msterveritas cannot read very well. Well, that's OK. Nobody's perfect.

As for liberty, let those elites who benefit from corporate medical insurance on Fortune 500 companies enjoy that same liberty. Then you may impose it on all else.

 

Obamacare Signups For Private Plans Surpass 3 Million

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/obamacare-sign-ups-january_n_4659439.html


Hundreds of thousands of people have chosen private health coverage under Obamacare so far in 2014, continuing the accelerated pace of enrollments from the end of last year.

The Obama administration said Friday that more than 3 million people have now signed up for private plans through the federal and state health insurance exchanges, including more than 800,000 in January.

"We are encouraged that millions of people have been enrolled in Marketplace or Medicaid coverage since October 1, and will work to give millions more Americans the peace of mind that comes with health security in the months ahead," Marilyn Tavenner, the administrator for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said in a statement.

The numbers are "as of this week," according to an administration official, which puts Obamacare on pace to have more than 1 million people pick a plan this month. Added to the approximately 2.2 million people who signed up for coverage between October and the end of December, Obamacare enrollments are expected to total more than 3.23 million at the end of January.

The numbers are reassuring for supporters of the Affordable Care Act, who were worried that the pace of sign-ups for private plans would slow in January and February, before picking up again as the March 31 enrollment deadline for 2014 coverage approached. But they are still shy of initial projections from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which originally expected 4.4 million people to sign up for a plan by the end of January. Moreover, the administration has not provided data on how many of the people who have signed up for plans through the exchanges have actually made a payment, which is required to ensure coverage.

Administration officials have argued that people who go through the process of picking and choosing a plan aren't likely to turn around and drop the endeavor when it comes time to pay. As for failing to meet CMS's enrollment projections, they noted the abject failures of the Obamacare website in October, the first month of open enrollment, forced delays in advertising campaigns touting the exchanges and made it hard to meet the desired pace of enrollments.

In addition to the private plans, a flood of people have enrolled in Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. Though the number of people who had signed up for that coverage during January was not immediately available, the Department of Health and Human Services has said that more than 6.3 million individuals were determined eligible to enroll in Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Plan between Oct. 1 and Dec. 31. Those numbers include people who were eligible under previous law, as well as individuals who simply renewed their Medicaid coverage.





Many more lives to be saved - Thank you President Obama!

 

I'm familiar with health care systems of other nations............Canada

Or how about England?

Dementia victims 'have twice the risk of dying in hospital while a third are not properly diagnosed by staff'

University professor, 37, dies from lung cancer after string of doctors dismissed symptoms as 'anxiety and depression'

Premature twins died after being given 10 times too much morphine, nursing tribunal hears

Failings in NHS cost 30,000 lives every year

Inspections highlight 'barbaric' home care failings

NHS watchdog to tackle malnutrition in hospitals

Elderly warned of growing isolation as face-to-face care cut

Family of RAF's finest who shot V1 rockets out the sky forced to sell medals to pay for care home

Closing the Independent Living Fund shows how low the government will go

Elderly patients diagnosed with 'acopia' - a disease that does not exist

Mid-Staffs scandal: Sir David Nicholson could face corporate manslaughter and misconduct charges

Growing fears of Bolton hospital death rate 'cover up'

Patients 'are still in danger from nurses who can't speak English' say MPs, as they call for urgent action

Older diabetics are suffering 'needless' amputations and blindness because they get the worst care

Pensioner placed on Liverpool Care Pathway WITHOUT family's permission dies after spending eight days without food or water

‘Basic errors in care cause kidney deaths’

Choosing a GP means gambling with your life – this must stop

Seventeen NHS hospitals have dangerously low numbers of nurses

Hospital patients won’t complain for fear of retribution

New avoidable-deaths scandal to put more pressure on NHS chief

Nurse linked to the death of premature twins killed by '10 times too much morphine' is allowed to keep working

NHS neglect: elderly patients ‘denied help with food’

Hip fracture patients suffering 'indefensible postcode lottery'

Snap inspections expose scandal of 'institutionalised abuse' in care homes and hospitals

Children's lives are being put at risk by a 'chronic shortage' of hospital doctors on weekends and evenings

Hospital that left patients lying in soiled sheets and shivering with cold is given a stark warning to improve by health watchdog

Mother-of-three dies of meningitis just five days after being admitted to hospital with EARACHE

A&E patients being forced to wait in ambulances for up to eight hours because of lack of beds

An unprecedented crisis is approaching, say the health service’s most senior figures

Number of patients being tied up and locked in rooms by care staff DOUBLES as MPs issue warning about hospital abuse

Thousands dying of thirst on NHS: Watchdog forced to issue guidelines on giving patients water

Woman who was sterilised is horrified to discover metal surgical clip had travelled from her groin to her CHEST

'My daughter was sent home from A&E to die of croup': Grieving mother to sue hospital after one-year-old's death

The little girl who could have been saved from meningitis - by jab NHS refuses to fund

Concerns over nursery worker who raped child 'were not investigated'

GPs predict longer waiting times - survey

NHS waiting lists are longest in five years

Pensioner died in agony after developing a horrific bedsore in hospital which left her spine exposed

Grandmother, 55, died from cervical cancer after her GP dismissed her symptoms as the MENOPAUSE

Children left disabled by meningitis after GPs failed to diagnose them are paid £28m in compensation

Girl, two, 'died after doctors failed to talk to each other about MRI scan that showed she had water on the brain'

Surge in elderly abuse and neglect claims

'I would worry if my family was taken to hospital at weekends': NHS boss admits he is concerned about staffing levels

How GPs are paid £50 bonus to put elderly on 'death lists'

Christian missionary, 49, died of heart failure and brain damage after waiting more than an HOUR for ambulance to arrive

'You condemned my sweetheart to death'

Doctors, nurses and managers to face five years in jail if they neglect patients

Dehydration and malnutrition led to 2,162 deaths in care since 2003

Jeremy Hunt says 32 hospitals are under investigation over links to claims of sexual abuse by presenter

Colchester hospital faces criminal investigation over waiting list figures

Brain haemorrhage patients face unnecessary delays, study finds

Four hospitals understaffed, says NHS watchdog

Royal College of Nursing claims that as many as one in six nursing posts at some NHS hospitals are lying vacant

 

Then you recognize the US is paying twice as much as advanced nations for a system that fails to cover 50,000,000 citizens, and for which taxpayers, to the tune of about $250 billion annually, must subsidize the privileged who are fortunate enough to have that subsidized coverage through employer-administered group insurance.

Of course, if you enjoy employer-administered coverage that American taxpayers subsidize for you, it may not matter to you that only Brazil and Serbia are less cost-efficient.

 

If you have no objections to the sustained high unemployment levels or the massive taxes, then you might be for the march toward slavery to the state. I prefer liberty. In fact, I demand it. There is no constitutional basis for many of the programs that seize my wealth to give it to someone else. It is time to undo them.

I do not care what course other nations may take. Give me liberty...

 

You failed to mention that both the obobo administration and huffington post have been caught in thousands of lies.
Even the lame stream leftist press is showing dissatisfaction and disgust with the constant lies of barrack hussein bin obama.

obobo's overall approval rating
CBS/NYTimes-43%

NBC-43%

Both far left CHAMPIONS of obobo.

Disapproval by each, 50 and 54%



Their approval of obobo's economic policies

37 and 39%.


Foreign policy,

42 and 44%

HEALTH CARE LAW.

39 and 34%


Those are the approval ratings of obobo's cheerleaders.

Other rating are worse to much worse.

The incompetent, unqualified charlatan has been exposed as unfit for his position. And his constant lies have become obvious to all with a rational mind.


If you like TRUTH, There it is.

 

The government has no legitimate responsibility for providing health care to anyone. If fifty million people ( a fraudulent number no doubt) do not want to pay for health care what business is it of the federal government? Or you? The solution is to get the government completely our of health care.

The solution is to amend the constitution to prevent the government from seizing more than 15% of any person's income no matter what the source. We must also return to the Constitution and its limits on federal government actions.

Or we can resolve this he way history tells us, with resort to arms. I prefer Article V.