Israeli President; Peres: Recognition of Jewish state 'unnecessary'

One has nothing to do with the other.... If you are basing your rhetoric on what misery the blacks of the New World had encountered, means that you have no concept of reality... Israel is more than 3000 years old the Americas were created less than 300 years ago... Frankly I do not know how you came to the above conclusion. We did not kill the natives to install ourselves, we just returned to our ancient home...

You side with those that have no right to be in my country in the first place... Just say it loud and clear so we will know from what side of the fence your trumpeting your fallacious theories.

Another example that would not sustain your flimsy decision is SPAIN = ANDALOUS was under the yoke of the Muslim/Arab hordes for more than 800 years... Where are these Arab/Muslim now in Spain? Are they still ruling SPAIN?

 

Its what the Arab world says about Jews to this day in their countries. Your looking at this from only one perspective is what I criticize. Israel was not created in a vacuum. It came about because people across Europe worked with Nazis in trying to get rid of all Jews.

To suggest the holocaust refugees who fled to Israel are white American Southerners is nonsense. To suggest the Jews thrown out of the Arab world ar white southerners is equally as absurd.

As well how you can dismiss the 900,000 Jews thrown out of the Arab League of nations as not being part of the peace agreement is bizarre to say the least. You would recognize displaced Palestinians but not Jews?

Why do you think they were thrown out and had all their belongings stolen? What they just vanish?

Bizarre.

700,000 Jews fled to Israel without a thing punished collectively because the Arab League failed to wipe out the Jews of Israel and you think they and their offspring have no rights?

Why does a Palestinian displaced have rights and a Jew displaced have no rights? Talk about a double standard.

Had the Arab League recognized the Balfour decleration there would be have been no war, and no displacement of either Palestinians or Jews. Both were directly caused by the Arab League initiating a war because it would not recognize a Palestinian and Israeli state. Now all these years later you want us to just forget this?

What is that the same double standard that says its ok for their to be Muslim states but not a Jewish one?

Yah got it.

Interestingly Saudi Arabia stated it conceded that the displacement of Jews from the Arab League to Israel was inextricably linked to the peace agreement as did Jordan.

In fact Morrocco as well and even Anwar Sadat came to that conclusion.

In fact more Jews lost their countries than Palestinians and in fact, many of the people claiming to be Palestinian and displaced were not Palestinian but Arab peoples who came in from outside Palestine and displaced Palestinians. The descendants of these Arab peoples who displaced more Palestinians than Jews are now magically called Palestinians. They are just as foreign to Palestine as Jews from Europe. Interestingly a Jew who comes to Palestine is a foreigner but a Muslim who did is not. No I do not buy into that revised history that Arabs are not foreigners only Jews are. Jews in the Arab world are just as Arab as any Muslim Arab and the Jews of Europe are descended from indigenous peoples of that country.

The actual Palestinians were displaced by other Arab peoples when the British flooded Palestine to prevent Jews from being able to create a country.

You can revise history as many others have to pretend the Jews thrown out of the Arab League nations don't exist or have rights but they have asmuch rights as any displaced Palestinian. Both were mistreated.

As for those who today refer to themselves as Palestinian, most are not, they are the offspring of the very Arab peoples who displaced Palestinians or any Arab who went to work in the West Bank and has stayed more than a year.

It's precisely why Arafat blew up the Land Title office on the West Bank to hide the fact that people claiming to be Palestinian were not and squatting on Palestinian land and then flipping it in fraudulent sales to other Arab peoples after stealing it from Palestinians. That part of the land conflict is ignored as people revise history to make it sound as if only Jews stole and from Palestinians. In fact more land has been stolen by Palestinians from other Arab peoples some who may or may not be Palestinian.

The point is its all moot. All Israel has said is, you want us to recognize Palestine as the legitimate country for displaced Palestinians, you do the same with us and understand our nation must be Jewish to protect the refugees from the Arab world and rest of the world.

Israel has never asked for financial restitution but Palestinians do. Why? Why do Arab League nations get to steal property of Jews, throw them out, and get away with that but Israel is financially responsible for Palestinians?

How is it the Arab League not Israel rounded up and imprisoned the Palestinian people and openly told the world they would hold them hostage until Israel was ended as a Jewish state, and Israel not the Arab League is morally culpable for this behaviour? How is it Egypt created Gaza as a prison for Palestinians and the world denies this or who created the refugee camps and why?

Well I can tell you, its called oil. The double standard comes about because the Arab world has oil, the heroin of the West. No one is going to bad mouth their pusher and treating Jews to a different standard is an over 3,500 year tradition why stop it now?

As for you-the denial of rights for these people displaced as refugees while demanding the same rights for other refugees speaks to your
inconsistencies on this topic.

My position remains, both Palestinians and Israelis have equal rights. No peace agreement can unilaterally give one side what the other does not have.

Nothing stops Palestine from becoming a nation but their own denial of Israel, their inability to unify and shed themselves of terrorism and people like you apologizing for their denial of Israel and inability to disarm terrorists.

JUST ONCE I would love to hear you state until the Palestinian world confronts its terrorists and gets them to disarm, and until it can accept Israel as the state where Jews seek refuge form the state, there can be no peace.

I won't hold my breath.

I may not agree with HBendor on certain issues just like Labour-Kadima and Likud clash but to ask Israel to ignore what happened to its 900,000 displaced Jews or suggest it should not be recognized as a Jewish state is absurd.

Since he is Israeli and I am not but have the right to be , I could not imagine telling him, your nation need not be recognized as Jewish. He should spit in my face for saying such a thing. It is the ultimate insult to who we are.

How much compromise there needs to be when negotiating... let that debate continue but to depict our people as not being worthy of recognition for our pain and suffering-not from me-I do not have such disrespect for myself I would deny who I am and where I come from and why Israelis are the culmination
of a decision by my people to never be inferior to anyone again.

We are no longer second class. Never again and one day Palestinians could embrace the same reality if they just put down their arms and stop denying we exist.

 

Israel needs to respect and obey the international laws that it has signed.

Until they do they will face worldwide loathing and disrespect.

 

Israel got created way after the US. That is the reality. And Israeli,.. lets be honest,.. is treating Palestinians as 2nd class.. ethnic cleansing them for decades to make room for the homeland of the Jews. That's their trackrecord.

And I don't see why Israel wants it to be acknowledged as a country thats not multi ethnical, while it is. It's just demanding that their racism is respected and acknowledged.

 

There are no international laws, only treaty and convention. Both not enforced or respected when they go against national interests. Beside there is no authority to enforce them even if they did exist. In the real world might makes right still applies. It's sad but it's reality.

 

And you had the audacity to accuse another poster of having no concept of reality.

 

You're thinking of the overwhelming majority of your claims sir.

Your laughable claims regarding war time occupation of enemy territory being akin to apartheid are just more proof as to who and what you are moon.

 

Not really... Israel was <RECONSTITUTED> and not created. This is not an invention of mine but rather this is quite clearly described in the <PREAMBLE> and the <Palestine Mandate> Articles... Go read.

 

I still maintain that basically what I said is the truth... I NEVER make/write uncorroborated statements.

 

failing to follow the 4th Geneva Conventions is a war crime.

 

Naturally.

 

Amazing that you have the audacity to continue posting on this thread when your every infantile premise is so easily demolished.

 

Yeah, sure......LOL.

 

Not much there there....is there.

 

Carry on.....Yawn.

 

I'm pretty sure that's your job.....boring people to death with a complete lack of cogent argument, droning on as if child like rhetorical nonsense is compelling to anyone who wasn't already predisposed to believe it.

 

Do continue......

 

Speaks for itself.

 

Have you finished with your tantrum?

 

Does this mean you've suddenly found an argument with substance.....oh do tell.

 

I'll take that as a "yes".

 

Nonsense. Just like the nonsense of what Israel is according to Zionists. 99% of them rely on the story of Mozes / Jews leaving Egypt for the "promised land". Something that totally never happened.

 

It is spelled "Moses".

Here's a news flash. You have no idea what did or did not happen.

This categoric rejection as if you know the actual truth is no different than the myths you think you shoot down.

All religions are "made up", that is to say they are allegories created by humans, mostly men in the past, to illustrate a principle or lesson.

Yes most of us have figured out that much of the religious stories we read are like Aesop's fables-stories designed to teach us a lesson.

Yes some people in all religions interprate these stories as absolute truths or in their literal sense and they are often referred to as fundamentalists.

However for you to make a rampant statement that the story of Moses was a lie is as absurd as trying to disprove it. You can't and it will remain a story.

What we do now have are objective pieces of evidence from archeology that do prove Hebrews existed and they followed one God.

What you are arguing is no different than saying Christians don't exist because the story of Jesus is not even second hand but even further removed from the actual events and there is no direct proof he even existed.

Does it matter?

does it matter the real Muhammed may have smoked dope and in fact while stoned allegedly would talk in his sleep while his wife wrote down what he said on leaves which were then later re-written?

You want to get into a debate on whetehr Abraham existed and had Jacob and Ishmael or whether the Hindui religion is all make believe stories?

Maybe you want to say Prince Sidharta never existed and all the wise sayings and his becoming enlightened are all stories. Likewise Lao Tzu, Confucious, all fabricated composites. Heck some people argue there was no William Shakespeare.

Joan of Arc, is she fiction?

Yah yah. Been there, done that.

Anyone can shoot down a story as being untrue. Now what? The lesson behind the story doesn't end because its based on a story. What because I can not prove Aseop actually existed his stories have no meaning?

Its possible for people to believe in things. It is what people. Humans create. They create through writing expressions of hope, desire, faith,
and what is wrong with that/ What you just (*)(*)(*)(*) it all off with one comment of its fake?

Sounds to me like that is a lazy way out of not having to deal with the thoughts and lessons behind those stories-you can just throw it all out without having to consider what was said.

I would argue I do not literally have to know whether Moses or Jesus or Muhammed or the Hindu Gods or the Siekh Gurus, or Prince Sidharta, Lao Tzu, Confucius, existed or not. The stories with their names have meaning independently of their existence. The stories of the Greek or Roman Gods-still have meaning. Meaning just does not come from literal dimension, it comes from the creative dimension as well.

In creative processes, real and sureal, what actually is or we want to be, does not matter-when we create, there are no limitations to what our minds can learn and achieve.

You want to get hung up on material senses and needing proof, so be it but to dismiss it all as a crock because Moses in your mind did not exist is intellectually dishonest. The stories and the lessons that came from them live on infinitely and when you spell Moses, Mozes all you do is show you are being lazy, not lasy.

 

There you go again. It may or may not be a war crime depending on what was not complied with. The law is not that black and white.

It is possible to not follow the 4th Geneva Convention and not commit a war crime.

 

That's interesting because never once have I ever heard you state the same thing about the Palestinian Authority, Hezbollah, hamas, fatah Hawks, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Sudan, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Turkey, etc.

This is why I criticize your words. You deliberately restate the conflict as if only one party exists to talk about and it is that selectivity that for me renders your comments lacking in credibility because of their blatant partisan nature.