Obama is a successful President

because it will be what the lower income class will buy, if they can afford even $61 a month. Even if they can pay the premium, they still have to meet the $5000 deductible. In other words, they buy insurance they can't use. Why even bother offering such a stupid-assed plan? If they could afford a better plan, do you think they would buy something that charges $1200 a month if all they can budget is $61. If they can't afford the doctor's office call ($125 in most areas), how do they meet the required deductible?
And what about all those poeple who had insurance for years? They lost their current insurance because their plan didn't meet federal guidelines like being forced to pay for other peoples abortion and birth control? Why should I pay for anyone's insurance? (Hint.....I wont)

 

no. we're losing now because he's black, and unqualified to lead a pack of cub scouts. Why do YOU keep defending him?

 

so he puts the whole country in a lurch for 11 million people, to which his actions adds over 50 million more to the uninsured numbers. yeah, great win....
I don't want numbers, but are you currently receiving a subsidy for your health care?

 

I personally defend him because universal healthcare is a great achievement and I don't think we will go back from universal healthcare, so we'll keep making improvements to it and hopefully we'll just eventually end up with single payer (which would just be much better than obamacare [which is much better than pre-obamacare])

 

only in socialist environment. Why should I pay for someone else's healthcare?

so, even you admit we are in untested waters with no assurances that it will work... Thanks
psssssssst, what happens when the economy collapses and the government goes broke?

 

Koch Brothers Are Quickly Proving that the Health Care Law is Actually Working



March 21, 2014 By Allen Clifton Leave a Comment

Julie-Boonstra - The ironic twist of the Koch brothers’ “fame” is how I’ve found that liberals know who are they far more often than conservatives. Which is an interesting fact considering the Koch brothers are largely responsible for much of the right-wing propaganda of the last few years – especially the tea party.

Their crowned jewel of political advocacy, Americans for Prosperity, has been one of the driving forces behind much of the anti-Obamacare rhetoric conservatives like to regurgitate.

Lately, though, they’ve become quite famous for anti-Obamacare ads that they’ve been running which have all turned out to be complete lies. Not only that, it seems that every person they’ve featured in one of these ads has actually turned out to benefit from “Obamacare.”

The most recent example of this came when Julie Boonstra, a cancer patient, said that her old plan was canceled because of “Obamacare” and her new plan was too expensive. A claim that was quickly torn apart by just about every fact-checker who looked into it, with most actually discovering that she would be paying less thanks to “Obamacare.”

Then there was another ad where Americans for Prosperity edited comments made by a man at a town hall meeting to make it sound like he said something against “Obamacare,” when in fact he was talking about Medicaid.

So the Koch brothers, being worth billions of dollars (spending hundreds of millions against “Obamacare”), can’t seem to find a single truthful “Obamacare horror story?”

If these two men, with essentially unlimited resources, are struggling to really find a “horror story” that plays well with the American public – doesn’t that say something? Isn’t that essentially proof that the law’s working?

Supposedly 5 million people “lost” their health insurance (though they didn’t lose insurance, they just had to switch plans), and millions more are paying a record amount for health insurance – shouldn’t they be flush with people they can film to tell their stories slamming “Obamacare”?

Yet time and time again when these ads air, fact-checkers are trashing them for not only being ridiculous, but often the person in the ad is actually benefitting thanks to “Obamacare.”




http://www.forwardprogressives.com/...re-law-actually-working/#sthash.9NmSvTIi.dpuf




The endless right wing lies have all been proven to be completely wrong. Millions now covered under ACA much to the grief of the Republicans!

OBAMACARE SUCCESS!!!!!!!!

 

I love this use of the political word { Haters }.
I suppose that explains why when Obama spends most of his time as
President fundraising, he speaks so Lovingly about those " Obstructionist " and
" Extremist ". Those who are " hijacking " this Country.
Of course I jest.Obama is speaking about Those nasty and gnarly Tea Party members
and Republicans.Those " bitter clingers ".But then Obama isn't jesting.
He's just being his bitter self.Ever notice that.Isn't that the very definition of
*Doublespeak. To accuse others of what you do or say.
I mean,has Obama the Meek ever given a fundraiser and talked less
than hatefully about his opposition. Of course not.
Obama the meek is always in constant Rail mode.Always railing about those
trying to challenge his authority and policy.
Sounds to me like Obama is the one whose " bitter " and clinging to his
own set of policy and rules.


* ambiguous or high-flown language intended to deceive or confuse.
ex. -- accusing your opposition of " taking the country down ". This from someone
who has nothing nothing else since taking office.

 

2 months ago we had proof that over 5 million americans lost their healthcare
coverage.Then little Harry Reid came up with the bright idea to announce at
a presser that all those healthcare horror stories are Lies.Every single
one of them. I mean talk about bold.But that isn't bold.Bold does not apply
to purposeful hoodwinking.That's all this is.One Huge Lie propagated by those
who lie for a living.Obamacare is one huge lie meant to bankrupt employers and
make even poorer those in the Middle Class. Which is what the intent of
Marxism is.To eliminate the Middle class and any notion of private property.
Forget about the American Dream.
The goal is to create a Big Brother State and get people on Welfare.But in order
to qualify for Welfare they will have to abide the rules, { ALL the rules } that
Big Brother demands.Meaning to register Democrat and make sure and Vote
Democrat.Probably register more than once and under different names { aliases }
just to make sure the democrats win,come election time.
In order to accomplish this there will have to exist Social Engineering where
the difference between Good and Evil are so blurred,one won't be able to
decipher.Like the way Abortion has been carried out.More black babies are
aborted than born in this Country.yet the Blacks seem to think of Obama as
some Savior.Black unemployment is at record level. So does it make sense for
the Black Community to worship Obama.Of course not.
yet that's exactly what Jamie Foxx told us Obama is ... " Our Lord and Savior ".

 

Obama has nearly finished selling out the whole country to privileged corporate pals. Where we are headed is ANYTHING but "socialism". Just because that much was stolen from the low and middle class that they have to hand out more table scraps to stop people from starving in the streets, doesn't make it socialist. Obama has been privatizing prisons, roads, even the soldiers. You name it.. All to add corporate middleman pals at the cost of the people. Even Obamacare is to further entrench the corporations in, anything but a real social care system. Obama has spit on the poor and the working class worse than the lot of these crooked presidents. This is because he's being slave or puppet for the capitalist owners of the plutocratic United States.

 

The actual amount doesn't matter. As long as the proper "loopholes" (intentional exemptions) are there. And if not, no matter; most of those are probably the ones the congress add in order to hamstring the competitor corporations to help their business buddies at the banks.

They don't enforce any regulations, they don't prosecute for the highest of crimes, whatever is down on paper is pretty much irrelevant.

 

You are painting a utopia, not a reality.

 

no that is reality, it is the responsibility of the POTUS to put the right people in the posts

 

Actually that is also ,part of the ObamaCare con.many of those who have signed up did so
with Medicaid { which is free for those poor who qualify }.
Medicaid is not to be among the ObamaCare enrollees.yet that is what some
states have decided.Kentucky is one of those states falsely representing ObamaCare
as successful.Because kentucky has a Career democrat as Governor and let
himself be used by Obama for bragging rights.Both Mitch McConnell and Rand Paul
have been trying to set the record straight over the Lies Governor Beshear has
been spewing in order to impress Obama.

 

All of the things you mentioned will take more than one President to fix

 

the public knows not what the numbers really are, and just how those numbers have been spread through population that has supposedly signed up.
these bastards have been lying from the start. What makes anyone believe that we are now going to get honest answers from a pack of known liars?

 

Why do you pay for other peoples education, for the military to defend other people, for other peoples fire services, for other peoples medicare, for veterans healthcare?

I didn't admit we're in untested waters, I said I hoped that eventually we'll remove the insurance industry completely, and it will be replaced by government financing. (In terms of tested waters- the US has the worst healthcare per dollar spent in the world- all the other developed countries have more efficient healthcare, none of these countries do it without government involved in the solution. There are no examples of effective private-sector solutions. There are no examples of effective solutions that do not include universal healthcare. When you look at single-payer vs non-single payer around the world you find that single payer is cheaper. That is why it would be a good idea.)

The government isn't going to go broke. The economy isn;t going to collapse. You have no evidence to support your claims, it's just truthiness, you "know" that you must be right. It's a shame you aren't.

 

That is not true. So you are saying that policies take longer then 4 years to see effects of them? Plus name one policy that the current Prez has gotten passed that has contributed to the economic gains?

 

you do realize there was less wrong with the old system than the (*)(*)(*)(*) storm we are facing now, right?

 

There are other plans there with zero deductible. I went on the site and there are affordable premiums with zero deductibles. It's all according to what fits your circumstances, with the number of members in your family. You are cherry picking the least desirable plans to fit your desired narrative.

 

No. I don't realise that. The worst practices of the insurance industry have been wiped out, people with preexisting conditions can finally get healthcare, and this system will eventually lead to almost everyone having healthcare. Obamacare is a vast improvement on the previous system.

If one actually looks at the data rather than just yelling about what you know to be true without anything to back it up, you'd see that obamacare (despite the software glitch it is actually working and the growth in healthcare costs has slowed. (It's not as good as if we'd have gotten single payer healthcare, but hey you can't have everything.)

 

How is that? How was it that the 50 million uninsured fit into your claim of less wrong with the old system, now that the uninsured have access to affordable insurance? Can you explain in detail how the 50 million were better off back then, than they are today?

 

There is a non stop, perpetual, symbiotic relationship going on between hate and misinformation that fuels their narrative. The bad part about it for them is, that narrative is never backed up like you say with anything to counter the others argument. It's always the same old same old Obamacare is a failure, with no real explanation.

 

Before being able to answer your question, one would first have to know how many of these 50 million now have insurance? Can you provide that number? Then and only then can we have a legitimate discussion as to how much better or worse those 50 million actually are.

 

Indeed. The good thing about this is, every major republican has railed against obamacare. Now the public might not have quite gotten over the website mess up by the midterms (I hope they do- if the democrats got the house back we'd have a functioning, rational government again) but by 2016, I think obamacare will be fairly well liked.

 

Do the math yourself. If 6 million sign up during this cycle while you have an average family of four, that's 24 million. Now, to be fair, many of the republican governors are rejecting the ACA. If they hadn't, we conceivably could have been at 48 million. Who knows for sure. Even if that is a gross overestimate, it is very reasonable to say 30 million out of the 50 would be covered. Thanks to the republicans, many are not.