Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

Glad to hear you admit that business runs the Republican party.

 

never said that..you couldnt be farther from the truth if you tried...but if you think obama care for that amount every month is a good deal then go for it..but when you break a leg or an arm and then you see what a bad deal it was dont go caring to momma for help

 

they should open hunting season of every dumb son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) that voted for this dipstick. Obama has screwed working America for generations to come.

 

In 2016, 6 to 7 million will lose their employer coverage and have to sign up on the exchange for each year until 2024. This is the beginning of the end for employer coverage of health benefits.

 

If you had been paying attention, you would have noted that I was speaking of those policies that had been cancelled by insurance companies, not calling the ACA policies "junk policies".

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Based on what?

 

no more Republican lies about '' junk policies '':

 

define "junk" policies......

 

it wasn't me who coined the term ''junk'' policies - I was only quoting a previous poster

 

you still haven't done your homework in math........
Let's run them ther magical numbers again.....
30 million (your claim) uninsured before Obamacare (right?)
Plus another 10,000 lost insurance (very conservative number)
Why, that's 40,000 people without insurance during the middle of a crisis (uninsured citizens)
Now, enrollment figures at 9.6 million signed up by the end of enrollment (I'll use that number because Obama sez so)
Why, that's 30.4 million that currently have no insurance AND are denied to purchase it until the end of the year. So your new law will be responsible for the deaths or medical cost of all these people for the next 7 months?
Now tell me again how, if Obocare is so freaking wonderful, why do we have a bigger mess than we had before? You just added 1/2 million more people to the list of uninsured. You can do math, right?
Nope,this is a dismal failure..........When 3/4 of the numbers remember 40 mil. read one way, not even you can change that. Just think of it, 3/4 of 40 million refused to signup. That is a loss for obocare, not a win

 

A junk policy is one that offers minimal coverage for example a lifetime cap of $50,000 or maybe $5000 annually and therefore even if the plan has a low cost or helps with doctor visits if you need to go the hospital for a major problem its worthless, save the initial benefit. $5000 won't even cover day surgery when I went in for the afternoon the bill was almost $10,000.

Under Obamacare the costs are likely higher but its generally comprehensive save the deductible level is higher on the lower level plans. But you get a $50,000 medical bill you end up paying much less than that.

 

45,000 dead Americans every year in the Republican created holocaust screwed far more - thankfully, the GOP's death panels have been largely stopped thanks to ACA

 

Boy yall are getting some mileage outta those 45,000 dead bodies, arent you? According to you, we should be all be celebrating the end of death as Obamacare is here to save us all.

Hilarious.

 

Thank you for admitting that you are still laughing at the Republican caused American holocaust.


Small wonder why Democrats are now embracing ACA in their campaigns:





http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04...n-sen-mary-landrieu-destroy-gop-opponent.html




Sen. Landrieu’s comments represent the changing Democratic tactics on the ACA. Now that there is proof that the law is working and helping millions of people, Democrats can shift the healthcare debate to discussing what will happen if Republicans who want to repeal the law get their way.




ACA = saving money and lives every day.


Thank you President Obama!

 

...and the beginning of crappy healthcare.

 

Yes I have met a few conservative psychologists, or at least pragmatists among them.

 

...more likely the end of it.

 

Canada is NOT a HC system I wanna follow.

 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/polls-show-rising-acceptance-obamacare-091500620.html


Polls Show Rising Acceptance for Obamacare



the majority of Americans say they are okay with businesses adding a nominal surcharge to each bill in order to help pay for their employees health coverage.

That’s according to a new survey from Bankrate.com, which found that 68 percent of those polled say they don’t mind paying a higher bill so businesses can provide their workers with insurance. Younger people especially seemed to approve of this approach—about 64 percent of 18-29 year olds




Despite all the lies from the deluded right wing, ACA is working to save money and lives.



Thank you Mr Obama!

 

how so...you have failed my simplest math test...not too surprising.......

 

I do, or Germany's, or Switzerland's, or any other developed nations health care scheme, anything but what we have now, which is bankrupting the US economy and destroying the ability of US companies to remain competitive in world markets.

Look at it this way, in the US health care is an expense that a company must deploy a lot of time and money and personnel to deal with, a considerable expense. In every other developed nation dealing with health care expenses is not even a line item for any company, it does not exist.

In the US taxes are lower but the expense of providing health care exceeds, by a considerable margin, the increased taxes that companies and their personnel would pay to the state to manage a national health care system. An employee making $60,000 a year in the US has the added expense of health insurance, which averages $12,000 a year so salary plus health care is $72,000 a year. The employee pays 30% income tax on their salary, which actually works out to about $10,000 after deductions. Income tax in the EU is about 40% of income but includes health insurance.

I do believe that if someone in the US who was making $60,000 a year was offered the choice of having their pay stay the same and being tied to their employer's health care plan or getting paid $72,000 a year but paying 10% more income tax and having guaranteed health insurance for them and their family regardless of where they work, would choose to pay the higher tax.

 

ONCE OPPOSED TO ACA, NOW A CONVERT



http://articles.philly.com/2014-04-28/news/49440051_1_health-plan-obamacare-life-saving-surgery



Dean Angstadt fells trees for a living.

He's a self-employed, self-sufficient logger who has cleared his own path for most of his 57 years, never expecting help from anyone. And even though he'd been uninsured since 2009, he especially wanted nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act.

"I don't read what the Democrats have to say about it because I think they're full of it," he told his friend Bob Leinhauser, who suggested he sign up.

That refrain changed this year when a faulty aortic valve almost felled Angstadt. Suddenly, he was facing a choice: Buy a health plan, through a law he despised, that would pay the lion's share of the cost of the life-saving surgery - or die. He chose the former.

"A lot of people I talk to are so misinformed about the ACA," Angstadt said. "I was, before Bob went through all this for me. I would recommend it to anybody and, in fact, have encouraged friends, including the one guy who hauls my logs."

In 2011, Angstadt had a pacemaker and defibrillator implanted to help his ailing heart pump more efficiently. Not long after, the almost 6-foot, 285-pound man's man was back in the woods, doing the Paul Bunyan thing.

But last summer, his health worsened again. It was taking him 10 minutes to catch his breath after felling a tree. By fall, he was winded after traveling the 50 feet between his house and truck.

"I knew that I was really sick," said the Boyertown resident. "I figured the doctors were going to have to operate, so I tried to work as long as I could to save money for the surgery. But it got to the point where I couldn't work."

Angstadt called Leinhauser. The political odd couple talked a bit before Angstadt mentioned he was having trouble breathing.

Leinhauser, 55, a retired firefighter and nurse, drove him to a doctor's office. "Dean only saw a doctor when he needed to because it made a big difference in his finances," Leinhauser said.

From time to time, Leinhauser would urge Angstadt to buy a plan through the ACA marketplace. And each time, Angstadt refused.

"We argued about it for months," Angstadt said. "I didn't trust this Obamacare. One of the big reasons is it sounded too good to be true."

January came, and Angstadt's health continued to decline. His doctor made it clear he urgently needed valve-replacement surgery. Leinhauser had seen enough and insisted his friend get insured.

"The only thing he was ever really adamant about was that Obamacare was the real deal," Angstadt said. "I trusted him to at least take a look at it."

Leinhauser went to Angstadt's house, and in less than an hour, the duo had done the application. A day later, Angstadt signed up for the Highmark Blue Cross silver PPO plan and paid his first monthly premium: $26.11.

"All of a sudden, I'm getting notification from Highmark, and I got my card, and it was actually all legitimate," he said. "I could have done backflips if I was in better shape."

Angstadt's plan kicked in on March 1. It was just in time. Surgery couldn't be put off any longer. On March 31, Angstadt had life-saving valve-replacement surgery.

"I probably would have ended up falling over dead" without the surgery, Angstadt said. "Not only did it save my life, it's going to give me a better quality of life."

Angstadt faces a long recovery, but his conversion to ACA supporter is done. The political storm around the ACA, he said, is the political parties "fighting each other over things that can benefit people."

"For me, this isn't about politics," he added. "I'm trying to help other people who are like me, stubborn and bullheaded, who refused to even look. From my own experience, the ACA is everything it's supposed to be and, in fact, better than it's made out to be."

He has also thanked his good friend, Leinhauser, for caring enough to persuade him to buy insurance and have the surgery.

"He has thanked me a couple times," Leinhauser said. "I just wish he would reciprocate by eating his green beans."

Share your experience

Did you buy insurance under the Affordable Care Act through Healthcare.gov? How is it going? We would like to hear about your personal experiences with the ACA, including the expanded Medicaid program in New Jersey. E-mail us at fieldclinic@philly.com

This story was done in partnership with Kaiser Health News, an editorially independent program of the Kaiser Family Foundation.





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Small wonder why so many now approve of ACA.

 

just more used toilet paper folks, same rant, different day and the lies haven't changed for a day or so........

 

Not likely. More restrictions. Longer waiting periods. Higher premiums and deductibles.

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Brain-washing the LIVs.

 

What other proposals?
Nothing that anyone could take serious, one page, double spaced, large font slogans.
The GOP hasn't proposed an alternative to ObamaCare , because ObamaCare is their plan, it's the most conservative plan that could actually work.
Because all the better plans require more government involvement, and save a ton of money by reducing industry profits....

 

Many who are covered by employer administered plans that are subsidized by about $250 billion dollars annually by the taxpayer have been afraid until now to start businesses of their own, losing their premium subsidy or, if they or their dependents have pre-existing conditions, being denied coverage by the private insurance cartel.

Now, entrepreneurs who have been frustrated by a system that has locked them into jobs and their coverage that is sustained by that massive subsidy are free to go into business for themselves, thus creating new jobs for others.

I fully expected that result, and it is being realized: The Affordable Care Act: Improving Incentives for Entrepreneurship and Self-Employment

There will always be chronic wage slaves, but Republican Piyush "Bobby" Jindal has proposed capping the enormous tax break that employers now receive for offering health insurance to their employees, so such a GOP disincentive would cause those plans to largely vanish anyway. For those still covered by an employer-administered plan, workers would have to pay taxes on any employer premium payments above a specified limit under JindalCare.

With Jindal's stinker the only detailed alternative to the Affordable Care Act, it's clear that nationalized WillardCare is here to stay for a while and, until it's replaced by demonstrably far more efficient single-payer universal coverage, it's at least facilitating entrepreneurship and creating jobs in America.


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