Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

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  1. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    Because it aggravates you, of course!
     
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    You'll never hear a damned one of them thank you. They are, after all, The Entitleers
     
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    Republican red states use far more pornography than do the blue ones as we all know. Pedophilia is a far bigger problem with them:

    http://www.alternet.org/story/140933/rating_the_greatest_gop_sex_scandals_of_the_past_20_years




    As for freeloaders we have already gone over the fact that Fortune 500 companies have been subsidized by taxpayers for decades without the slightest objection from any right winger. When it comes to welfare, the rich get trillions in welfare and shelter their money overseas in tax free accounts. Again, no objection from the right wing because they know nothing of principle.
     
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    More than a few times I posted a thank you for the help, I know its taxpayer funded government assistance, but I'm DISABLED and deemed UNABLE TO WORK so I'm the kind of person welfare is meant to help.
     
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    Right. Welfare is clearly meant for socialists... You can do something. You are here, after all.
     
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    This not intended disrespectfully, and only said with the most honest sincerity. If you can sit at a keyboard and work within the forums, there are some things you can do. When people do this one thing, it is to their benefit. You gain by supporting yourself, even to some small degree and establishes a certain kind of pride to know that at least you can do something. Not everything in life today, requires that you leave your house to earn a living.
    I try everyday to accomplish one thing that benefits me. If it benefits me, it benefits others.
     
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    Does that include nuclear weapons?
     
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    Sure. How many do you have for sale and what will you accept for them?
     
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    There is seriously no positive to this stupid "law" we're now saddled with. We're being ordered by Big Government to buy private coverage, even while premiums are being increased, and in spite of those massive co-pays, AND those who refuse to buy in will be charged an increasing amount in their annual income taxes (another older crime that for some odd reason people still tolerate, incidentally). It all amounts to:

    Bend over, slaves!

    Capitol Hill absolutely should be subjected to this PIECE OF (*)(*)(*)(*) legislation. (*)(*)(*)(*) THEM and their utterly retarded practice of legislating for US while NOT legislating for THEMSELVES!
     
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    Yep! There are plenty of jobs that aren't overly physical. My own work involves nothing beyond using a computer..
     
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    I'll by one for [MENTION=53645]gamewell45[/MENTION] :roflol:
     
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    here's a nugget for the ACA fanatics...looks like the deathbell for Obiecare has rung:

    BREAKING: Republican Judge Orders Obamacare Defunded
    by Ian Millhiser Posted on September 30, 2014

    "... The theory behind this lawsuit, Pruitt v. Burwell, is that although the Affordable Care Act gives states a choice between setting up their own health insurance marketplaces or permitting the federal government to do it for them, health exchanges run by the federal government cannot provide subsidies to help insurance customers pay for their insurance. Should this theory ultimately be embraced by the courts, it will likely trigger a “death spiral” of premium spikes that will drive more and more consumers out of the insurance market, until the markets eventually collapse. As ThinkProgress previously explained, the thrust of the plaintiffs legal argument in this and similar cases is that Obamacare “is supposed to create barren health exchanges where little or no health insurers offer exorbitantly priced insurance that hardly anyone can afford,” and that it was supposed to create these useless exchanges despite the fact that the law explicitly states that it will achieve “near-universal coverage by building upon and strengthening the private employer-based health insurance system.”...
    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...g-republican-judge-orders-obamacare-defunded/

    ...been saying, since its inception, that this was a very bad idea.
     
  13. Mr_Truth

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    7 Charts That Prove Obamacare Is Working
    One year after healthcare.gov crashed, things are looking up for the president's signature achievement




    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119623/obamacare-one-year-seven-charts-show-law-working



    bamacare is not popular. In the latest tracking poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation, 47 percent of respondents said they have an unfavorable opinion of the law, while just 35 percent said they view it favorably. The numbers haven’t changed that much over time and they’re pretty similar to what other surveys have found. The polls are a little deceiving: People don't want to repeal the Affordable Care Act and, by and large, they like the component pieces. But the overall public reaction has been something less than enthusiastic.

    One reason is that the program got off to such a dreadful start. It was exactly a year ago this Wednesday, on October 1, that the Administration launched healthcare.gov—and then watched, helplessly, as it failed. It would take officials nearly two months before they got the site working. The same was true in many states. During this time, insurers were cancelling expiring policies that didn’t comply with the Affordable Care Act’s new standards, forcing somewhere between a few hundred thousand and a few million Americans to search for new coverage. The law’s political opponents seized on the stories of disruption, real and imagined, to argue that the law was a debacle.

    Today they make the same argument. In the right-wing press, and among Republican politicians, Obamacare hasn’t simply failed. It’s been a catastrophe. Senator Ted Cruz regularly calls it “the disaster that is Obamacare” Wall Street Journal editorial writer Holman Jenkins, Jr., compares it to the crisis in the Ukraine. The New York Post editorial page just gave the law an "F." Its logic: "About the best thing that can be said about ObamaCare’s first year is that it wasn’t quite as bad as some critics predicted. But it isn’t even close to what we were promised — and nowhere near a passing grade."

    The data tell a different story. The Affordable Care Act has real flaws and shortcomings, and pretty much any week you can find a new story about one of them. On Monday, for example, the New York Times had an article about people discovering they owe large medical bills because, during an emergency, they received care from a physician who wasn't part of their insurance network. The next open enrollment period begins in just a few weeks and, already, advocates are bracing for new glitches. But if you focus on the big picture, the available evidence suggests that the Affordable Care Act is working pretty much as its designers envisioned it would.

    Critics can legitimately take issue with the law's goals and principles. That's a matter of philosophical preference, after all. Performance is another matter.

    Consider:

    1. More people have health insurance.
    Percentage uninsured, via Gallup

    Everybody knows that covering large numbers of the uninsured was Obamacare’s primary goal. And, for a while, it looked as if the law might not accomplish that. We now have overwhelming evidence that it has. The most complete data comes from a series of surveys from independent research organizations—the Commonwealth Fund, Gallup, the Rand Corporation, and the Urban Institute. Their numbers do not match up precisely, but all of them have found that, as a result of the law’s coverage expansion, the number of people without insurance fell by something like 10 to 12 million, once you add in the young adult who got coverage because of the law's under-26 provision. Meanwhile, hospitals are reporting that they are seeing fewer and fewer uninsured patients.

    Those findings are not definitive and it may yet turn out that the actual reduction in coverage was higher or lower than those surveys found. The available government data, though broadly consistent with these findings, is not yet current enough to capture the 2014 expansion. But it’s impossible to argue, seriously, that the law has not meant many more people have insurance. The only question is how many and what happens in the years to come.

    2. People who are getting health insurance are almost certainly better off.
    It seems intuitive that people who have insurance are better off than those without. But every now and then people question it. Two recent studies should put those doubts mostly to rest. The first was a major study of Medicaid, based on data from Oregon. The authors determined that people who get health insurance from the program were significantly less likely to experience financial distress and significantly more likely to report better mental health. The one unknown from that study was whether people who get Medicaid also ended up healthier. The researchers coudn't come up with evidence to substantiate that claim.

    Health outcomes, Massachusetts v neighboring states

    Source: Annals of Internal Medicine

    The results set off a furious debate over how much good health insurance, or at least Medicaid, did. A subsequent study, using data from Massachusetts and its expansion of health insurance, went a long way towards settling the question. The study found improvements not just in economic security and mental health, as the Oregon study did, but also in physical health. People were less likely to have severe health problems and were more likely to avoid premature death. In fact, researchers calculated, for every 846 people who got insurance, one person was likely to live longer.

    That kind of evidence of the Affordable Care Act's impact won't be available for a long time. But a survey from the Commonwealth Fund found that 60 percent of people who got new coverage on the marketplaces had used their insurance to pay for services—and 62 percent of that group said they could not have paid for such care previously. It's one more sign that people are better off.

    3. “Winners” probably outnumbered “losers” in the new marketplaces.






    .... more ....




    Proof that ACA is working!

    Right wingers cry, patriots celebrate the saving of money and lives.
    :flagus:
     
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    Old news. this legal logic has been tried several times before by Republican judges and it hasn't worked then and won't work now.
     
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    A whole year, and things are finally "looking up".

    Thanks for posting, lol.
     
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    Had you noticed my previous posts you would know it's been working for some time:



    https://www.facebook.com/acasuccessstories
     
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    leave it to a denialist to claim that this is old news.
    lookey at the date.
    and it cast a wide enough net to include that fact that this cannot be funded, no matter how much you might wish it so.
    It was designed to fail, and that's the only thing that is working
     
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    again with the facebook reference...man, you need to change from a pre-pube blog to some more credible source..
    Looky looky, I found it on facebook, so that makes it sooooooooooooo true:roflol:
    ..and the moochers and the takers are traitors..
     
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    We are the Government. The government is comprised of US Citizens. We determine by democratic process how We will govern ourselves.
     
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