Cutting Back on Carbon

Water expands when it is heated.

Wait until the oceans are warm enough to melt the stores of methane hydrates. Life on this planet had ridden that roller coaster several times (without the help of mankind), it wasn't pretty.

 

that doesn't mean one can't be developed

 

You are assuming that the drought has something to do with CO2.

 

http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/seaice/processes/albedo.html

If the models are treating the albedo the same than that is just another model approximation that is significantly off.

 

I'm going to jump off a cliff on the assumption that by the time I hit the ground I'll be able to sew a parachute.

 

It was warmer by 6c during the Eemian when man was present so your alarmist histrionics pretty much fall flat.

 

no, i'm pointing out what's happening in the western states, namely drought

that has nothing to do with this thread and just shows that you have no clue what you're talking about

 

Not very good on analogies are you.

You have taken the truism 'necessity is the mother of all invention' and assumed a falsehood of 'create necessity and get invention'. That is false there are plenty of examples of necessity not creating invention. We still do not have a grand unifying theory. We still have not invented a cheep efficient way to store power. There are plenty of necessities that have never led to invention.

You approach to science is like throwing a child into the deep end of the pool and telling them to swim.

 

i'm quite facile with them, which is how i recognized that yours was false, right off the bat

you're just confirming that you have no clue what you're talking about

oh look, another false statement/analogy, what a surprise

 

You can call something false all you want it harder to prove it false.

You said

You are assuming that necessity will lead to invention. This is a false truism. We still do not have a grand unifying theory despite so many of the smartest people in the world trying.

You can squirm all you want and call my analogies false but everyone one else knows I'm right and you are wrong because fundamentally I'm a better debater than you.

 

Based on what?

Oil from plants is the most promising, and has been in "development" for decades. Despite the periodic "breakthroughs", there are no solutions.

Batteries, ultracaps, etc. are still orders of magnitude from replacing fossil fuels as a storage medium.

 

based on open-mindedness and new discoveries, google 'are new energy sources possible' and you'll get an idea

no i'm not

is that supposed to make sense?

 

No histrionics - and I didn't say the ocean temp was on that trajectory, or that MMGW / CO2 was the cause.

But, it has happened in the past, and will again.

Whatever the cause of sufficient ocean warming, we need to use as much of the methane hydrates as possible to avoid the thermal run away that has occurred in the past.

And, methane hydrates are a renewable resource.....

 

What thermal runaway? The only thermal runaway in the last 2.5 million years was at the end of each glacial period.

 

I do that frequently - most are crap, many are heavily hyped to get gooberment funding, and none have manifested themselves as viable products.

As I have stated, the higher energy cost experiment has been going on in Europe for decades without results.

 

Yes you are.

 

"The sudden release of large amounts of natural gas from methane clathrate deposits has been hypothesized as a cause of past and possibly future climate changes. Events possibly linked in this way are the Permian-Triassic extinction event and the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum."

The runaway occurs when the release of methane increases ocean temp, releasing more methane, until what is on the continental shelves is exhausted.

 

just out of curiosity, have you been to europe?

ideas that don't work, won't work and there have always been scammers

ideas lead to more ideas, especially when there's a payoff


Nuclear Fusion Reactors 'Possible' Report Scientists - But Not Yet

A new study from one of the world's pre-eminent fusion research centres says that a self-sustained fusion reactor - what is, in effect, a miniature star in a box - is within our reach.

Researchers at the American National Ignition Facility (NIF) have published a survey report in the journal Physics of Plasmas which explains the progress made since 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/25/nuclear-fusion-progress_n_3987430.html?just_reloaded=1

get a grip on reality

 

Wow they are within reach so lets jump off the cliff without a parachute because we may have a parachute by the time we hit the ground.

 

Many times.

Why, have they come up with some viable alternative energy source they keep hidden from the states?

All I see is heavily subsidized wind and solar power, expensive bio-diesel, and nuclear power. Nothing we can't do here, if we are willing to triple the cost of energy.

But, note Europe's CO2 output, still climbing, just at a slightly lower rate. My suggestions above would have a bigger impact.

True, but the breakthrough hasn't happened, and none of the breakthroughs that have happed are viable alternatives.

What exactly do you want to spend tax dollars on?

More consensus science?

The last breakthrough was break even in that more energy was generated than put in, unless you consider the power for the lasers, that was several orders of magnitude higher.

Fusion still throws off neutrons, creating radio active isotopes (waste) - it isn't a panacea.

I'm not the one with a loose grasp of reality.

 

Since we achieved the first fission reaction fusion power generation has always been just a few years away.

Its been a just a few years away for my entire life, and yet I'm not a few years old.

 

i see a beautiful land, that knows how to live

maybe you're just a little confused

 

Obviously it is coming from the earth. Water that used to be ice.


My question is....with all the so-called advances in alternative energy why can't I get a solar pump for my pond for less than it cost me to build the whole pond. I only need to pump 1,000 gallons an hour.

All I get for less than a thousand dollars is a trickle.

 

The Koch Attack on Solar Energy

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/opinion/sunday/the-koch-attack-on-solar-energy.html?_r=0

rising sea levels are most likely due to higher temperatures, because of pollutants


REPORT: California's Record Fire Season Drives Climate Change Into The News

A Media Matters analysis found that California's largest-circulating newspapers are increasingly mentioning how climate change is worsening the state's wildfires. California has faced an extremely early and severe fire season in 2014, in line with climate research showing that over the last four decades, fires have grown millions of acres larger and the fire season has extended by about three months on average.

California's Newspapers Increase Climate Coverage In Wildfire Stories By Over 50 Percent. Of all articles, columns and editorials analyzed, 11 percent mentioned climate change in their wildfire coverage in the three months leading up to and including California's early fire season this year. This amount marks an improvement over coverage from the same newspapers' coverage during an equivalent time period in 2013 when only 7 percent of wildfire stories mentioned climate change. The absolute number of stories that mentioned climate change increased by 55 percent from 9 to 14 articles.

California's Fierce Wildfire Season Had "Unprecedented" Early Start. NPR reported that California's fire season had an "unprecedented" early start this year in a conversation with California's secretary for natural resources:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/06/18/report-californias-record-fire-season-drives-cl/199788

 

Thanks for showing how ignorance is sown. Not even the IPCC claims what the left wing media is claiming.