Anti-Islam Rally Attracts 17,000 In Germany

That is true. There is a good article with excellent links on that here

You've already declared that you want to do to all Muslims what ISIS does to Christians and you say 'and others' well the others are usually Muslims. It quite simply is not true or honest to pretend that all European or more particularly UK Muslims are jihads and Salafi and apart from that this country was supporting the ones that were until we would not let them bomb Syria. Theresa May even allowed into the country a Muslim who was only here to get them to go and die in Syria and who had been preaching the same in Egypt just a few days earlier and that was despite the reality that our Muslims asked that he be banned.

From the 80's the UK was allowing the Saudi's to bring in their teachers and that gave to some, because let's not pretend they all went there, who had suffered continual racism a sense of belonging. It got out of hand when we started going to wars out there and they were trying to follow their new given teaching with their supposed loyalty to Saudi Arabia but other Muslim;s stepped in and to a large extent sorted this out. You can read about this here

Yes we have a problem now with some of our Muslims - there are a few older ones but mainly it is the young who become jihadists and they are well known for going off on their plane with Islam For Dummies in their bags so they clearly know very little about even Salafi Islam.

Our responsibility is towards all of our citizens. We have been making things far too difficult for Muslims (used of course to be Pakis) for far too long by shunning them and treating them all as potential terrorists. Muslims themselves have chased Choudray out of Luton on many occasions. Yes, there are some who are dangerous. He possibly is one but as I said earlier with the aid of our Muslims citizens, 99% who like beheadings as much as I do, we can sort it out. As you yourself said, we created the problem.

It is hypocracy to say the extremists do not follow our way when what you are suggesting is to do what you blame them of to all our own Muslims.

 

I'm well aware of the extremists and where they hang their hats. The reason their numbers are increasing is because of the anti Islam campaign since 9/11. Most people don't know the difference between Sunnis and Shiite. The title of this thread is helping that confusion. If the rally was anti Sunni Muslims then I would be in full support of the OP. I would be willing to bet those Muslims that are against the extremists would be here agreeing with it to. But the thread invites the bigots to spew hate about all Muslims creating more hatred and fear about any Muslim. Pushing them closer to the radicals.

 

YOU KNOW TOO MANY MUSLIMS THAT STAND AGAINST THE EXTREMISTS??

Name a few Arabs/Muslims that are against 'extremist Islam'... you are going to find practically NONE!!! They would be afraid to be called 'KUFAR' and be executed...
The Italian 'Palazzi' is the only one so far with gonads who stands his ground.

 

They are all over the world. I'm not talking about those in the radical states. I would be willing to bet everything I own not everyone being oppressed in those states agrees with them. You said it. They don't want to be executed. But you are willing to condemn them because they don't want to be executed? That's just plain bigotry. You once spoke of compassion as if it was admirable. Fooled me once shame on you.

 

This ideal of Truth, as the "way and the life" for mankind explains the concept of trinity which the Muslims deny as rational.

But Truth is born out of the ever unfolding Reality that father's it.
And Truth is in the image of Reality, too.
Truth has a father.

Truth can not be crucified, because it will rise again and again.

Mohammed did not understand this, and he used Trinity as weapon to rally Arabs together against Trinity and against Christian conversion, too.
These ideas are what will stop Islam, not weapons.
The church people need rise up and explain Trinity.
They need show how Truth is what men use to describe Reality.
And they need argue how living in Reality is the only sane goal for us all.

 

Good for Germany,those Muslims have killed American Blood,Killed there own Blood,Keep Females in Bags,Worship Something that is wrong (The only Religion worse then Islam is Satanism)

 

Satanism is a couple of step better than Islam IMHO. At least it gave us some really good heavy metal and goth band

 

Ummm, he wants to do to muslims what Isis does to Christians? I wonder if he'd also like to do to Jews what Israelis do to Christians on the west bank? Personally, I don't see any difference in the marches and protests against the Jews in Germany and these demonstrations.

 

Exactly, my answer is to those that did blame or justified anti semite attacks on Jews in Europe because of Israel actions in another thread, that is punish one group of Jews for actions of another, yet here they think its not OK to blame Muslims for other Muslims actions,

Im sure in a moment of calm most intelligent ppl would see that right away but since hatred does tend to make ppl stupid sometimes we need to hold a mirror in your (your party) faces

 

My party? I don't belong to a party. I didn't realize that the person condemned all Jews for Israel's actions. I guess I missed that post. It seemed as if you were saying that all Muslims should be held accountable for the extremists actions. If I miss understood your post I apologize.

 

No need....

 

Listen this is a personal attack hate post with no reference. You are nastily accusing me of things all of which come from your mind. Now I suggest you answer my post which was in relation to your wrong hateful thinking on another thread.

You never have. You just like to spread lies, flame baits and hate

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=388832&page=8&p=1064577462#post1064577462

 

Judaism does not believe in the trinity, Jehovah witnesses don't believe in the trinity. Why are you not condemning them? Why are you not advocating for a Crusade against them?

 

Speaking in general terms was not required/demanded here... I wanted the readers to name some prominent Muslims who speak against their own radicals/Extremists brethren and stating 'sine qua non' that this is wrong... you failed, shame on you!

 

Shame on me because you are lazy. http://www.freemuslims.org/
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/muslim_voices_against_extremism_and_terrorism_part_i_fatwas/
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/21/muslim-leaders-have-roundly-denounced-islamic-s/200498

 

I guess my response is different from yours. I noticed years ago that often people couldn't tell the difference between a woman wearing a sari and a woman wearing hijab, and I figured that there was a lot of things we didn't understand. I wanted to understandm so I ensured i spoke to real people to find out more about what they were really like. I did this initially through travelling in regions where cultures were significantly different. Later, through mixing more with people from various cultures in my own country. I have been really fortunate, and had a number of roles working with people from various regions, including many refugees.

but only because i was genuinely interested in learning about people, and understanding.

i learnt that not all people of one religion are the same, that there are many different interpretations of islan, and that, as with people from every other race, culture or religion, i liked the vast majority of the people, but thete were also some who had ideas and attitudes that i believe are unacceptable, as do many of their co-religionists.

if I were going to let bad things I heard influence me to the extent that I avoided contact with muslims (or any other group of people) my life would be the poorer for it.

its only a catch 22 if you make it one

 

Here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-protest-against-Islamic-State-barbarism.html
The web is full of of anti-terrorist Muslim websites; you have to want to look Bendor...
More: http://www.freemuslims.org/issues/terrorism.php
http://muslimsagainstfundamentalism.blogspot.co.uk/
http://www.whyislam.org/jihad-2/worldwide-condemnation-of-terrorism/

As another poster said; you're just lazy.

 

it's just bigotry. Like the other poster said their distaste for Muslims was so great why would they seek them out and try to understand them. The mind of a bigot!

 

The web is only the web. I could give you hundred more links proving to the contrary. The bottom line. The Muslims community needs to come forward and start reporting their own. Before they commit the crime, not after. If someone knew all along that their fellow Muslims have been spreading hatred and racism towards non-Muslims and kept quiet about it - he/she is accomplice in crime. Awareness...

Undercover Mosque

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dispatches-undercover-mosque/

Saudi Arabia and the Rise of the Wahhabi Threat

http://www.portmir.org.uk/articles/the-wahhabi-threat.html


One has got to be a real fool not to acknowledge the threat.

 

Bigots have minds?

 

They are also wrong, too.
Mohammed was the false prophet in 616 AD was specifically mentioned to be the one who would come against Jesus as the crucified and resurrected lord.
The numbers are almost equal for the Christians and the Muslims today, that makes them a strong candidate for discussion on this.

 

How many people did the Holy Roman empire kill and torture all in the name of Christianity? Is that what Jesus tells you to do? Kill those that won't believe or torture them until they do! You are declaring a holy war because their numbers are threatening Christianity.