Harry S. Truman Decided To Nuke Hiroshima And Nagasaki

Not what I'm talking about.

And I already know all about the Japanese method of producing war materials. It is why the atomic bombings of Japan and even the firebombings were justified.

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So there were provocations on both side.

 

Good lord, do you even know your history? Those cities were manufacturing equipment/weapons of war. They were not targeting citizens they were targeting military instillation that supplied materials to the military.

War is a terrible thing to have to rely on as an end result, but when war is declared every effort should be made to destroy the enemy. Japan was the enemy, not just their military. Sad but true, and anybody who thinks civilians are off limits is a fool.

 

It remains that the latter day nay sayers that had no skin in the game are pretty much ignorant of the real facts of history.

 

To be fair, todays Japan's Kongo class destroyers are equal to the U.S. Navy's Arleigh Burke class destroyers and the Kongo's have the Aegis weapons system.

 

Your uncle probably went to the grave with over a hundred untold stories about his service during WW ll. Most WW ll combat vets rarely talked about their combat experience. There are 8 million untold stories about WW ll.

You might enjoy reading the following.

>"US Army published an instructional pamphlet—Fighting on Guadalcanal—early in 1943. LtCol Russel P. Reeder, USA, travelled to the island in the autumn of 1942 and interviewed numerous Marines and Soldiers who were key to the early American victories on Guadalcanal. After returning stateside, LtCol Reeder transcribed his work to this pamphlet, which was distributed to units all over the Pacific Oceans Area.

This pamphlet contains lessons learned by many important Marines. Among them are Col Lewis Puller, Jr., Col Merrit A. Edson, LtCol Herman Hanneken, and Major Lew Walt. World War II Gyrene has transcribed this document.

The original document is 69 pages. For use on the web, it has been broken into three sections. It has been lightly edited to correct typographical errors, and some over-long paragraphs have been split for easier reading. In 1942, Americans commonly referred to the enemy as "Japs." This is the case in Fighting on Guadalcanal. No attempt has been made to change this usage..."<

It was a classified publication at the time.

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/fighting_on_guadalcanal_index.htm

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/fighting_on_guadalcanal_1.htm

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/fighting_on_guadalcanal_2.htm

http://www.ww2gyrene.org/fighting_on_guadalcanal_3.htm

Note: Good read.
When the heavy machinegun is mentioned, it's referring to the .30 cal Browning water cooled machinegun. The light machinegun was the air cooled Browning machinegun that most are familiar with.

 

Japan did nothing what you did not yourself

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We don´t call our ships "junks". We don´t speak chinese.

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With that you just declared your population free game...I don´t know if you want really work as the defender of Al Qaida?

 

I think you are on to something. I've heard of Chinese junks but never a Japanese junk. But the U.S. Navy today does have it's "Crappy Little Ship" (CLS) that can't fight and survive and it's pop gun is only good for sinking ski boats. That's when the gun is actually working.

 

Then your country should step up or shut up. China is looking over your shoulder.

 

The Sinking of the USS Panay &#8249; HistoricWings.com :: A ...
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The USS Panay was struck by two bombs. ... These were the standard light bombs of the Japanese Navy at that time, 132 pounds in weight (60 kg) each. (circa-1937)

 

You mean the USS Panay which was deliberately seated right in the middle of an active war between Japan and China?

I wonder if you feel that the USS Liberty was a provocation.

 

It will go down in infamy as The most dramatic decision a President or
any leader had to make.The little book - Hiroshima - was mandatory reading
in my High School.It was a short book,around 150 or so pages.
The United States was never proud of the decision to drop Fat Man { Nagasaki }
and Little Boy { Hiroshima }.But it was either Them or Us.
No where is it written that War is easy. It is written that War is Hell.
It is also my understanding to a person Americans hung their heads low in
shame for the Atomic bombs being dropped.We didn't know much about the
A-Bomb,other than it's huge destruction.Ironically it's creation was an attempt to
save lives by shortening war.Nuclear weapons went on to become the pandemic
deterrent.It also ushered-in the United States as the world's Superpower.
Hitler had his Panzer's { Tiger tank } with the 88's { 88mm gun } and then
the United States had The Bomb. Hitler basically fled and gave up before need
of The Bomb. But History was marked.The A-Bomb changes everything.
But again ... Americans were not rejoicing over the news of Hiroshima,then
Nagasaki.It caused a chill in Americans.A very uneasy feeling about War and
destruction.The A-bomb delievered Destruction on a scale almost unimaginable in
mere minutes.The Caveat was set for the future.Be carefull those who Make War.
Truman obviously was advised heavily before any decision.I mean,lets Bee 4 Real.
The guy was a tailor { haberdasher for cryin' out loud }.Did menial jobs and had
no college education. Call it the school of hard knocks.Which Old Timers swear by.

" It is an atomic bomb.It is the harnessing of the basic power of the universe. "
{ Announcement about the Hiroshima bombing July 28,1945 }
" I never give them hell.I just tell the truth ,and they think it is hell."
-- Harry Truman { Captain in the Rainbow Division }

 

Suddenly and Deliberately Attacked!

The date was December 12, 1937, and the place was the Yangtze River in war-torn China. The vessel? The gunboat USS Panay. It was a sudden and deliberate attack that might have led to war, save for swift diplomacy, and luck.
As early as 1854, U.S. Navy vessels sailed the Yangtze, a right secured by treaty due to America’s status as a trading nation and military power. By the 1870s, America’s expanding economic interests in China necessitated the creation of an “Asiatic Fleet” for protection of merchant ships against river pirates and warlords. By the early 1900s, with the Standard Oil Company operating tankers on the river, America’s presence became more pronounced until finally, around 1914, specially-built shallow draft gunboats advanced to Chungking, more than 1300 miles from the East China Sea. Between 1926-27, with China in chaos as a result of the “Northern Expedition”, six new shallow-draft gunboats were built at the Kiangoan Dockyard and Engineering Works in Shanghai. They were commissioned USS Luzon and USS Mindanao (both 210’ long), USS Oahu and USS Panay (both 191’ long), and the USS Guam and USS Tutuila (both 169’ long). Armament was light but appropriate for a river defense role, with all vessels carrying at least eight Lewis .30 caliber machine guns, and two 3”/50 gun mounts or, in the case of the smaller Guam and Tutuila, 3”/23 guns.
The crews of these ships were small. Panay for example carried four officers and forty-nine enlisted men, along with a Chinese crew of porters. The vessel only drew about five feet of water, and resembled more of a Mississippi riverboat than a destroyer. Yet it had a definite role to play, one summed up on a bronze plaque located in the wardroom: “Mission: For the protection of American life and property in the Yangtze River Valley and its tributaries, and the furtherance of American goodwill in China.”
Source:
http://www.usspanay.org/attacked.shtml

Don't mix apples and oranges... After the bombing of the USS Panay, the Japanese entered Nanking China and proceeded to slaughter 300,000 Chinese with genocidal fervor.
Read more:
http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
Your lack of Twentieth Century historical knowledge is astounding.

 

We deliberately placed a warship (of which the Chinese had similar vessels) in the middle of an active warzone. It was a deliberate provocation.

I notice you won't answer my question in regards to the USS Liberty.

 

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp6.shtml

"Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."

"The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials. The narrow long strip attacked was of particular importance because of its industries."

 

Attached see the map of the Panay attack and other ships along the Yangtze river.

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As far as the USS Liberty is concerned that's another issue and should not be used in deflection of this subject. Just as the USS Mayaguez would be a deflecting issue. In other words stick to the subject.... "USS Panay a flat-bottomed craft built in Shanghai specifically for river duty, Panay served as part of the US Navy's Yangtze Patrol in the Asiatic Fleet, which was responsible for patrolling the Yangtze River to protect American lives and property in China".

 

A little correction, it was the SS Mayaguez not the USS Mayaguez. The SS Mayaguez was a U.S. flagged merchant container ship.

 

Revisionism.

>" U.S.S. Panay was one of five small, shoal-draft river gunboats that had been built about ten years earlier, primarily for patrolling the Yangtze in order to protect American commerce and American nationals during the Chinese civil war.[12] They were used to being fired upon (and seldom hit) by irresponsible guerrilla bands of Chinese,[13] but what happened to Panay was deliberately planned by responsible Japanese officers.
On 21 November 1937, when Japanese forces were approaching Nanking, Chiang Kai-shek's foreign office notified the American Embassy that it must prepare to evacuate. The Ambassador and most of the personnel left next day in U.S.S. Luzon; the rest stuck it out for another week, when they decided to depart in Panay. Ambassador Grew so notified the Japanese government on 1 December. On the 11th the gunboat embarked the American officials together with a number of civilians, and started upriver, escorting three Standard Oil barges that also wished to escape. Two British gunboats and a few other British craft followed the same course. For two miles this little flotilla was fired upon repeatedly by a shore battery commanded by Colonel Hashimoto, one of the ringleaders in the assassinations and a prominent Kodo man. His object was to provoke the United States into a declaration of war, which would eliminate civilian influence from the Japanese government and complete the "Showa Restoration." The shooting was so wild that Panay and her convoy, making slow speed against the current, pulled out of range without suffering a hit. An advanced Army unit notified naval authorities that Chinese troops were fleeing the capital in ten ships.

At 1100 next morning (12 December 1937) Panay and the three tankers anchored near Hoshien, upstream from Nanking. American flags were hoisted on their masts and painted on the awnings and topsides. The day was clear, sunny and still. Panay's ate their Sunday dinner and secured. No guns were manned or even uncovered. Shortly after 1330, three Japanese Navy bombing planes flew overhead and released eighteen bombs, one of which disabled Panay's forward 3-inch gun, wrecked the pilothouse, sick bay and fire room, wounded the captain (Lieutenant Commander J.J. Hughes) and several others. Immediately after, twelve more planes dive-bombed and nine fighters strafed, making several runs over a space of twenty minutes. She fought back with her .30-cal. machine guns. By 1406 all power and propulsion were lost, the main deck was awash and, as Captain Hughes saw that his ship was going down, he ordered her to be abandoned. Japanese planes strafed the boats on their way to shore, and even combed the reeds along the riverbank for survivors. Two of the three oil barges were also bombed and destroyed. The Panay survivors, kindly treated by the Chinese, managed to get word through to Admiral Yarnell and were taken on board U.S.S. Oahu and H.M.S. Ladybird two days later. Two bluejackets and one civilian passenger died of their wounds; eleven officers and men were seriously wounded..."<
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USS Panay Court of Inquiry Findings:

CONFIDENTIAL FOR RELEASE
CAUTION: This report of findings of the Courty of Inquiry on the bombing and sinking of the USS PANAY MUST BE HELD IN CONFIDENCE AND NO PORTION, SYNOPSIS OR INTIMATION SHALL BE PUBLISHED OR GIVEN OUT UNTIL RELEASED FOR PUBLICATION.
Note: Released for publication in all editions of Saturday MORNING NEWSPAPERS which appear on the streets not earlier than 8:00 p.m. EST Friday, December 24, 1937.
EXTREME CARE MUST BE EXERCISED TO AVOID PREMATURE PUBLICATION OR ANNOUNCEMENT
SECRETARY OF THE NAVY SWANSON HAS RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING FINDING OF FACTS OF THE COURT OF INQUIRY ORDERED TO INVESTIGATE THE BOMBING AND SINKING OF THE U.S.S. PANAY. THESE FINDINGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMANDER-in-CHIEF, ASIATIC FLEET.

THE COURT FINDS AS FOLLOWS:
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Thank you for the correction.

 

So what you have revealed is that the attack was unprovoked and actually an overt act of war by the Japanese 4 years before the next unprovoked attack at Pearl Harbor.

 

That's what it looks like.

But didn't the Japanese say "Sooo Sorry, we made a booboo" ?

 

"Unprovoked" is a lie in both cases.

 

Again I point out--------------no Pearl Harbor, no Hiroshima!!!!!

 

No oil embargo, no Pearl Harbor

And the infinite regression begins.

 

I suggest you read the following to clear up the situation whereas the aggressive attack on the USS Panay was uncalled for. The Oil Embargo was imposed on Japan after their attacks on China and other areas of the East. Japan's biggest mistake was to not completely destroy the Pear Harbor naval base.
See:
http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/japan-oil.htm

 

And China was attacked due to the same drive for raw materials that Japan had been stuck with since America forced it to industrialize and enter the modern world at gunpoint.

No Commodore Perry, no industrialization of Japan, no shortage of materials, no invasion of China.