MEn Who ARe Attracted To Transsexual Women Are Gay?

Of course they're gay or at least bi with a fetish. If you know it's a guy and you're still attracted to it, you're GAY. Nothing wrong with it but just admit it.

 

In Thailand they are also classed as a third gender. In Laos (culturally same as Thailand) katoeys are accepted.

 

.... well if they don't tell you they're actually a guy before you get to the point where you're going to get naked... then I wouldn't hold it against someone for knocking their teeth down their throat.

But that's completely besides the point. The point is that if their simply attracted to them because they look like a woman but they don't know it's a man then they're not gay... they were just tricked. If, however, that goes further and they engage in sexual intercourse or anything of that nature, then he's gay or bi.

As for sexuality... it IS black or white. There are only three options. Either you're homosexual, bisexual or heterosexual. There are no other options.

In regards to you saying if a woman's penis is on a woman you don't see why that's gay... I can't believe I even typed that lol

 

That they are. They are no big thing. The Miss Katoey contest, I think last years was held at Pattaya. It is a pretty big deal over there. Kind of like a miss Thailand contest.

 

Yeah... Thailand's also a center for child sex tourism and child prostitution. I'm not sure if they're what I would call a model of sexual understanding.

 

So you don't have any persuasive arguments to offer, just bold declarations of your own inane opinion that you think constitutes the 'truth'.

Beyond pathetic.

 

You've never been to Thailand, I guess. Yes, there is certainly sex tourism there, but for the most part, it's a beautiful country that people visit for everything from scuba diving to shopping to partying to nature tourism. As for child sex tourism, that's gonna get you strung up by your balls in a thai prison.

It's certainly not my favorite place to go because of all the tourists, but it's a real party town.

 

Dictionaries are not rules books. They merely report on the accepted usage of words. They are not even remotely a full, sociological exploration of sex, gender roles/expression, sexual orientation, sexual behavior, or issues of identity connected to these.

Sexual behavior <> Sexual orientation. You can certainly describe any behavior as homosexual or heterosexual. But behavior does not determine a person's orientation.

Anyway, I hope your "Period" means you're contributions here are completed, because we certainly do not need repetition of more of the same.

 

I watch the Thai news quite a bit. Interestingly, when a paedophile or sex tourist is arrested it's mostly a western guy.

 

Over the years I've had around half dozen katoeys in the classroom. A couple of things came out of this for me. Firstly,, I didn't have a clue they were katoeys. I was told by other students. And secondly, katoeys I've met are incredibly dynamic and intelligent.

Living in SE Asia and traveling the region quite a bit, SE Asia men who are as straight as a dye can exhibit very strong female traits. It's not uncommon for two straight guys to walk down the street arm in arm. Also, straight women will show affection to each other in public, while it's frond upon male/female showing affection in public (especially in Laos).

 

Reminds me of a shirt I was given by a friend who bought it in vietnam. It's certainly comfortable enough, but let's face it - a see through blouse has no business in a man's shirt drawer!!!!

 

So that's the answer? To oversimplify the complexities of human sexuality? No.

Sexual orientation is a matter of what traits one finds attractive, and whether they are typically exhibited my members of one's own sex or of the opposite sex.

If you're a man, and you are attracted to someone who exhibits the traits you associate with women, then you're heterosexual. If that person you found attractive turns out not to have been born biologically female, you're now supposed to consider yourself gay for not having known she wasn't born biologically female? Really?

Or are you only 'gay' if you follow through on that attraction and engage in sexual behavior with that person? To say yes would be to argue that sexual behavior determines orientation, yet people have feelings of attraction that are oriented toward one sex or the other (or sometimes both) - long before they begin engaging in sexual behavior.

I do not buy this nonsense that no one has a sexual orientation or identity until they engage in sexual behavior. People are either not being truthful about their own experiences, or heterosexuality is nothing more than a learned behavior, and you aren't straight until you have sex with someone of the opposite sex, and if you have so much as a one-time sexual encounter with someone of the same sex or a transsexual, you can no longer claim to be primarily attracted to the opposite-sex (i.e. "straight"). You're instantly "gay", then.

On the other hand, if a person is "gay", engaging in sexual behavior with the opposite-sex apparently doesn't make you instantly "straight". Nope, still gay, or at best bisexual the way you people tell it.

This theory that behavior determines orientation is completely incoherent, and has nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

 

The sex tourist industry is geared for the western male. I see this all the time. Tuesday and Thursday are visa days at the Thai Consulate in Vientiane. Most westerners have to leave the country to get their visas updated so they jump the border into Laos, staying for a day or two. You'll find most western males, usually middle aged, will have a young Thai chicky babe hanging off their arms. I mean guys in their 50s with a girl in her late teens to mid twenties. This is so near to prostitution that it actually is.These girls will hone in on a western guy, usually middle age and 'enjoy' his company for a few weeks. The first thing the guy will do is take the girl shopping. Jewellery and iPhones are popular. When he leaves she'll find another sucker. Many of the girls are from the poorer Isan region of Thailand.

When Thailand opened up for the tourist industry, STIs went (and still are) through the roof.

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Unless you wear it over a t-shirt

 

Nothing has changed much since I was there in this showing of affection. I arrived in Bangkok in May of 1967 and in Vientiane in August of 1969. I trained some Thai Army troops and became very close to two of them. That was at the Saphon Kwai Army base, home of TV5 I think. I adjusted quite rapidly to their culture basically living with them. I was very leery at first when Chen and Chai, the two Thai army buddies wanted to hold my hand as we walked along Phahon Yotin near the Victory Monument. But after awhile it became no big thing.

I probably went native about as much as any American could. The shyness or deferential is probably a better word shown towards other Americans wasn't shown to me. If they had a better idea than mine, they would tell me. Whereas they would keep quiet among most other Americans seemly to always to defer to them.

The Thai's where outstanding soldiers. The lowland Lao, not so much. What a difference with basically the same culture.

 

Not how it works. There are "XY" people who appear female at birth, and "XX" people who appear male at birth. And some people have ambiguous genitalia at birth. There are also XY people who are born appearing female, and who become male in appearance only upon going through puberty. XX/XY people do exist, but that doesn't mean they're the only form of intersex condition, nor the most common. It also doesn't necessarily mean they'll be born with two complete sets of male and female sex organs.

Seriously, don't try to argue the intersex issue if you haven't done the research. It's not a simple matter.

 

What, so now this hypothetical person who thought he was straight but found a transsexual attractive now has to completely rethink his orientation? Because other people say so?

In the meantime, he's still not attracted to men that look like men. So how useful is it to call him 'gay', other than to make some point that strikes me, quite frankly, as completely idiotic?

 

Why does it suddenly become gay once the clothes come off? What's different?

 

It isn't, there are other options, and your bold declarations and desire that it be simple doesn't make it so. You are not a deity. You are not the boss of everyone else' sexuality.

 

OK then,, what if you're attracted to a transsexual who for all intents and purposes is female? Meaning there are no outward male traits. Happens a lot by the way. I know of two friends (one homophobic) I witnessed going ape over katoeys. On both occasions they didn't have a clue they were katoeys but thought they were strictly female. Are these guys also homosexual or bisexual?

A couple of years ago I was smitten by a young waitress here in Vientiane. Great service, chatty and very beautiful. I was in the company of my wife. I can usually tell a katoey but this time I couldn't. It was my wife who actually brought it to my attention she was katoey. We still have a laugh about this.

You need to come to countries where transgender/transsexual people are common. They are interesting people but most people have the wrong opinion. Many people link transgender/transsexual people with the sex industry. Nothing is further from the truth. Most just lead very ordinary lives. I have a female friend who once told me you've never had a friend until you've had a katoey as a friend.

 

I suspect they're actually far more common here in Am erica than some would like to admit.

They pretty much have to hide because we still have clear cultural rules and taboos that defines these people as things like being dangerous.

Sigh. America still has a long way to go.

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I suspect they're actually far more common here in Am erica than some would like to admit.

They pretty much have to hide because we still have clear cultural rules and taboos that defines these people as things like being dangerous.

Sigh. America still has a long way to go.

 

Because at that point you no longer are being "tricked". You may have been attracted to them because they looked like a female but now you know they're actually a male. If you are still attracted to and want to have sex with them then you are no longer simply attracted to a female. You are attracted to a male.

It's like this. Let's say you see a girl and she looks young but looks to be 18 or 19 years old. You fine yourself attracted to her. But in reality this is a very mature looking 12 or 13 year old. Until you are aware that she is actually 12 years old you're not a pedophile. However, once you know that she's 12 and you are STILL attracted to and want to have sex with her... Then you become a pedophile. It's the same basic concept.

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Really? Then why don't you name a sexuality that doesn't adhere to one of those three categories of homosexual bisexual or heterosexual. You may be able to list some that are subcategories of those three but ALL human sexuality falls under those three. Don't worry I'll wait.

 

That'd be like saying somebody who was fooled into thinking a gorilla in a bodybuilder suit was a man from a distance was into bestiality. When they get a closer look (e.g. under the clothes/suit), the attraction is gone.

Well... men can have breasts... severe alcoholism, for example, prevents the liver from breaking down estrogen... and you end up like Bob in Fight Club. While certain bodyshapes and breasts are associated with being female both biologically and culturally... it's really what's between the legs that's the deciding factor.

 

It's really quite simple as far as what sex you are goes.

If you have a Y chromosome then you are genetically a male. If you do NOT have a Y chromosome you are genetically a female.

Not sure why that's difficult to understand.

 

Asexuality.

 

Exactly. But if you get close enough and take the bodysuit off of the gorilla and you STILL want to have sex with it then you're into bestiality.