The Sun Says: The images we had to publish

Discussion in 'History & Past Politicians' started by Destroyer of illusions, Jul 18, 2015.

  1. DOconTEX

    DOconTEX Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think the same thing...Nazi Salute...every time I see Obama get off the plane and wave his arm at someone in the distance.
     
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    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Neither am I yes his (and your) posts tar "the West" in it's entirety with the same brush. Russia (in it's various forms) has been and still is involved in all sorts of military conflicts, with it's own bombing and killing too. The difference is that I'm not attacking Russia, "the East" or you and Destroyer because of that nor am I claiming that the part of the world I happen to live in is somehow magically better than the part of the world you happen to.

    Ultimately, you're part of the problem here (though sadly far from alone) in selectively condemning one group of people for acts that you ignore or even celebrate in others. The very fact you complain about the killing of Russians in Ukraine yet express zero concern for the killing of Ukrainians (or anyone else) is a sad reflection of this.
     
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    doesnt change the fact that the Nazis and Soviets were best friends from 1939 to 1941.

    Nazis got lots of aid, intelligence, supplies, weapons from the Soviets.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh so then it's not just the Ukranian military killing its Russian speaking people in Donbas, it's also the Russian speaking military bombing and killing the Ukrainian civilians in Lvov and Kiev? Strange, I haven't heard about that?

    Hmmm, now that I think of it, I haven't heard of Russia being involved in any wars lately either? :confuse:
     
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    US Neocons, and most of so called Western civilization is ruled by pirates also known as Nazis.
    The first 1/4 of this video shows how Britain, US, and Holland financed Hitler and his war machine.
    [video=youtube;U1Qt6a-vaNM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Qt6a-vaNM[/video]

    US Harriman brothers built this place, according to video:
    us ausvich.jpg us ausvich.jpg
     
  6. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Honest Joe - I do concern myself about others. I'm appalled at how we have been arming and training foreign terrorists to fight Assad, when he has the support of the majority of the Syrian people. We have completely destroyed that country as we have Libya. Two nations that were secular and prosperous and turned their people into refugees. I'm also appalled at how we're supporting Saudi Arabia when it is deliberately bombing and killing civilians in Yemen.

    I know some cultures are more aggressive than others, and oddly enough they're the ones we're aligned with... This doesn't say much for our leaders does it? I put the blame on our leaders and not the American people, because they have no idea what's going on...thanks to our media and its brain washing.
     
  7. Ronstar

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    haa!!! Russia was notorious for killing their own men during WW2.
     
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    Excellent Documentary !
    THANX

    I hope some of our PF fools take the time to watch it :cool:

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  9. Colonel K

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    Another nazi salute scandal involves two famous British personalites!

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  10. lizarddust

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    While the ANZACs where fighting Nazis in Europe and North Africa.
     
  11. lizarddust

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    Hmmmmmmmm,, over 2 million tons of bombs on a population of around 4 million people from 1964 until 1973.

    - - - Updated - - -

    They weren't best friends but just got on. Each thought each other as allies but in truth were not. Actually,, the Nazis hated communists.
     
  12. Destroyer of illusions

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    Obama - fascist. It can be seen immediately. Even if he get off the plane with their hands tied.
     
  13. Ivan88

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    To be President of the US, one has to kiss up to the real powers that control us. He has to play the game until he can find a spot to do something good. Bush the first didn't try to do any good. Bush the 2nd tried, and got beat up and threatened.
    Clinton tried and almost got evicted.
    Reagan tried and got shot. When he ended his job as President, he said, "Being President has been the greatest acting role of my career."

    I don't know about the current administration.
     
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    and what about stalin and mao?
     
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    What about them? Care to expand?
     
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    Yes,, all been recorded and known.

    But how does that relate to this?

     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    I think it counters his pro-soviet and pro-communist slanted world view.

    The Legacy of Mao Zedong is Mass Murder
     
  19. HonestJoe

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    Lots of civilians of all kinds have been killed in the conflict - whether they're Russian speaking, Ukrainian speaking or other foreigners shouldn't matter - they're civilians. Both sides in the conflict have been responsible for some of these deaths. It's not a valid situation for playing favourites.

    Apart from Ukraine, what about Georgia and Chechnia?
     
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    If we read the literature of the time rather than the 'victors history books' we realize that it was not really until just before we ( France and Britain) declared war on Germany that the British knew who they were to fight. Though we knew War was coming we did not know if we were to fight with the Germans against Russia or against Germany to crush their Industrial prowess.
     
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    so you don't know what Fascism means?
     
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    For someone who said lies don't fester and grow anymore, you're certainly giving us a dose of it. Uhhh, I have news for you, it was not Stalin, it was Lenin/Trotsky who burned churches with people inside, and Hitler who evaporated the Jews and Poles. Start getting your facts straight kiddo.

    As for Communism in Russia, unfortunately it is now a capitalist state...oligarchs and all...And as for the Soviet Union with its propaganda and mind control; it now moved westward lock,stock and barrel.
     
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    Soviets and Nazis were good buddies from 1939 to 1941.
     
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    I think Putin pays you too much.
     
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    Bravo !!!.... But, unfortunately, you are in the minority.... I mean the official policy of the Western countries. For Example. Russian are very sensitive to the biblical commandments, and do not want to allow propaganda of sodomy. But the West aggressively impose their views. Russian (Most of) support Putin, but the West imposes its attitude to Putin. Russian (Most of) respect and honor to Joseph Stalin, but the West imposes its attitude.
    Russian do not impose on you his attitude to Churchill (which is responsible for the death by starvation of millions of Hindi, the bloody suppression of uprising in Cuba Jose Marti and in the Sudan, a genocide Boers, punitive operations and repression against the Irish, Somalis Rhodesians. Export British street children in the labor colony in Australia. To promote the idea of ​​sterilization of the population. During World War II, organizes the most severe, massive and besmyslenno murder in human history: the bombing of Dresden. Within a few hours killed in the same city several hundred thousand people. etc.)
    But why your government allows itself to interfere in the internal affairs of other countries? That is the question.. ... And it's very, very annoying Russians. But this in no way applies to you personally.
     

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