worse than Hiroshima!

Tens of thousands gathered in Hiroshima Thursday to mark 70 years since the dropping of the first atomic bomb, with opinion still divided over whether its deadly destruction was justified.American B-29 bomber Enola Gay dropped a bomb, dubbed "Little Boy", on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945, in one of the closing chapters of World War II.
Nearly everything around it was incinerated by a wall of heat up to 4,000 degrees Celsius -- hot enough to melt steel
On August 9, the port city of Nagasaki was also attacked with an atomic bomb, killing more than 70,000 people
The twin bombings dealt the final blows to imperial Japan...
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but just some years ago something worse than what happened in Hiroshima happened while everyone were just silent.
United States of America used depleted uranium against Iraqis!MOD EDIT>>GRAPHIC IMAGES<<
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BUT it is believed:
Radioactive Ammunition Fired In
Middle East May Claim More
Lives Than Hiroshima & Nagasaki
By firing radioactive ammunition, the U.S., U.K., and Israel may have triggered a nuclear holocaust in the Middle East that, over time, will prove deadlier than the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan. So much ammunition containing depleted uranium(DU) has been fired, asserts nuclear authority Leuren Moret, "The genetic future of the Iraqi people for the most part, is destroyed." "More than ten times the amount of radiation released during atmospheric testing (of nuclear bombs) has been released from depleted uranium weaponry since 1991," Moret writes, including radioactive ammunition fired by Israeli troops in Palestine.
Dr. Helen Caldicott, the prominent anti-nuclear crusader, has written: "Much of the DU is in cities such as Baghdad, where half the population of 5 million people are children who played in the burned-out tanks and on the sandy, dusty ground."
"Children are 10 to 20 times more susceptible to the carcinogenic effects of radiation than adults," Caldicott wrote. "My pediatric colleagues in Basra, where this ordnance was used in 1991, report a sevenfold increase in childhood cancer and a sevenfold increase in gross congenital abnormalities,"
http://www.rense.com/general79/hiro.htm
researches in Iraq show increases in cancer, leukemia and infant mortality and perturbations of the normal human population birth sex ratio significantly greater than those reported for the survivors of the A-Bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.
Results of a survey in Jan/Feb 2010 of 711 houses and more than 4000 individuals in Fallujah show that in the five years following the 2004 attacks by USA-led forces there has been a 4-fold increase in all cancer
http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/05/iraqi-birth-defects-worse-than-hiroshima/

P.S U can close topic but these pics are what let get reality more clear

someone in US shamefully deafened massacre happened in japan and even proud of that.I ask them how U justify this disaster which it's effect will remain for many many years in Iraq and Afghanistan?US used these bombs to do a favor to Iraqis too?like what US did to Japanese?!also US today claim that it is trying for Non&#8209;Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons while it has thousands of them and is not going to stop it's productions and defeated Israel that has hundreds of these weapons and didn't let anyone in IAEA [which is under US control] to visits it's sites.and also US is the only country which used that and even is not regret for mascaras it brought about !! so obviously can repeat it again!!!is not it ludicrous that we are living in the world that police, thief, and judge are one person?!!

 

Why whine about the A-bombs? Simply put no Pear Harbor, no Hiroshima!!!

 

Except that all scientific and empirical evidence proves this self proclaimed expert wrong.

A sun burn gives one more rads than a ton of du.

Once expended it harms no one

 

Get a history book, Japan attacked the U.S. December 7th, 1941 and the U.S. sustained 1.25 million battle casualties in the process of stopping them, we ended it Aug 9th, 1945 without further loss of American lives.

 

Depleted uranium is not radioactive noticeably beyond that of most heavy metals. Hence the "depleted" label.

 

What lunacy. Depleted uranium has been used in industry for years. It's been used as counterweights in aircraft for decades.

 

oh yes!!!and those pics [ http://www.politicalforum.com/attac...6956d1438930951-worse-than-hiroshima-222.jpg] are not Iraqi children!they are some Aliens, came to the earth by UFO!

according to metal of dishonor depleted uranium book , Army environmental policy institute claimed in a report : "If Depleted Uranium enters the body it has the potential to generate significant medical consequences.the risks associated with Depleted Uranium in the body are both chemical and radiological "
also
Depleted uranium is used as a tamper in fission bombs.
Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure because, in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal, although less toxic than other heavy metals, such as arsenic and mercury.It is weakly radioactive but is 'persistently' so because of its long half-life. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry states that: "to be exposed to radiation from uranium, you have to eat, drink, or breathe it, or get it on your skin." If DU particles do enter an individual, the type of danger presented&#8212;toxic vs. radiological&#8212;and the organ most likely to be affected depend on the solubility of the particles
The primary radiation danger from pure depleted uranium is due to alpha particles, which do not travel far through air, and do not penetrate clothing. However, in a matter of a month or so, a sample of pure depleted uranium will generate small amounts of thorium-234 and protactinium-234, which emit the more penetrating beta particles at almost the same rate as the uranium emits alpha rays. This is because uranium-238 decays directly to thorium-234, which with a half-life of 24 days decays to protactinium-234, which in turn decays in a matter of hours to the long-lived uranium-234. A quasi-steady state is therefore reached within a few multiples of 24 days
The chemical toxicity of depleted uranium is about a million times greater in vitro than its radiological hazard

Since 2001, medical personnel at the Basra hospital in southern Iraq have reported a sharp increase in the incidence of child leukemia and genetic malformation among babies born in the decade following the Gulf War. Iraqi doctors attributed these malformations to possible long-term effects of DU, an opinion that was echoed by several newspapers
A medical survey, "Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005&#8211;2009" published in July 2010, states that the "&#8230;increases in cancer and birth defects&#8230;are alarmingly high" and that infant mortality 2009/2010 has reached 13.6%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium#Military_applications

 

tell me what would happen if Japan used nuke-bomb?
at that case war would be finished too!!ha?U absolutely would condemned that!but know as US has every right to do anythings like torturing or invading other countries, recruiting Apartheid cops and etc. so it has this right to use Nuke-bomb too!

I really don't understand who U can justify a massacre!don't U think those who are not even regret about what they did in Japan can repeat it very very easy?and those are very dangerous to the world!?
by the way, the reality is US never ever had too do it [in spite of what U have learned in school!]because Japan at that time had been got very very weak and US had gotten the control of many lands that Japan has had controls on.also after first bomb Japan accepted the end of the war to stop US from the second bomb but...
of course my main question was a bout DU.or even orange agent. can U justify them too?

 

1) Both Japan and Germany were racing us to get a nuclear weapon

They continued to attack the continental United States with balloon bombs meant to indiscriminately kill civilians, because they were a failure doesn't matter. I serves to show if they possessed more effective weapons they would have used them.

Considering Japan had already attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor do you really think they wouldn't have used it against us? They wouldn't have given up till they were absolutely and totally beaten and forced to surrender. Just to push them back to Japan's mainland it cost 354,523 United States casualties (106,207 killed, 248,316 wounded and missing). Why on earth would we fight a ground war with them on their homeland and how many American deaths and casualties would it cost to achieve the same goal.....surrender? Please try to remember, they attacked us, we didn't attack them.

 

Do you know anything about radioactivity? Alpha particles are about the LEAST dangerous radioactive particles in existence.

All that ridiculous post you copied amounted to was that it is "hazardous to ingest particles of heavy metals".

Once again, depleted uranium is NOT a weapon of radioactivity.

 

As I pointed out there is no empirical or scientific evidence to support the OP's claim.

Photographs of sick kids are not empirical or scientific evidence. Much like the recent controversy over vaccinations which brilliant doctors like Jenny Mccarthy claimed cause autism. Photos of kids with autism prove nothing.

The original claim was that RADIATION from DU causes various health problems such as birth defects. The very information you cite from the US military disproves that claim. You clearly quoted them as stating it is WEAKLY radioactive. As I stated exposure to a ton of DU produces fewer rads than a sunburn.

Only now do you point out that DU is a heavy metal and ingesting heavy metals can poison people. This is correct and the main danger from DU much like mercury or lead if you ingest it it can make you sick.

There is however no empirical or scientific connection between use of DU on battlefields and later long term health problems. The Irai doctors you quoted were working for Saddam's regime and spreading any propaganda he ordered them to spread. Naturally a few newspapers supported their claims much as a few newspapers support conspiracy claims.

Newspapers are not scientific or empirical verification.

The idea of long term health problems among Iraqis is quote plausible. Most Iraqis live in third world poverty. Their lave little in the way of modern medicine, sanitation or even nutrition. What industries and factories exist in Iraq have little or no control over the pollution they produce or how they dispose of it. Farmers and ranchers in Iraq routinely leave animals to lie and rot where they die. The place is literally a cesspool of filth, bacteria, vermin, and poison with little or no health care for the average person.

Yet somehow when health problems are noted they want to blame the US.

Sorry but you have to do better.

DU weapons work great to defeat the enemy on the battlefield and yes some potential health problems can arise as a result but nothing is even remotely supporting the claims of the OP.

 

First of all are of course and always 2 sides here about Hiroshima and Nagasaki fighting if necessary or not and all the jabbering or Pro and Contra. Fact is that all US invasions during Island Hopper up to Okinawa show huge losses of troops and so the thinking that an invasion of the Main Islands of Japan will cost huge losses, up to millions is valid and so gave a valid reason to bomb Hiroshima. If Nagasaki too is another question, where I will not say clearly yes!

Are you serious or did you eat for breakfast a clown today = you are joking only?

DU is high toxic and the problem is the dust after it smashed into the target. Take a look on the thousands of suddenly ill becoming GI’s after 1991 … and finally take a closer look how US Army itself changed rules and manuals for handling DU ammunition in general!
Sure, DU ammunition is no little Fukushima, but Uranium is in general high toxic and this you can learn in physics in school too! To deny this is lame like denying that 1+1=2!

 

No one said anything about how toxic it is until now. We were discussing how radioactive it is and there is a difference. As I acknowledged it is a heavy metal and like other such metals it is poisonous if enough of it is ingested. But this is not the same as claiming it is highly radioactive.

Yes safety standards improve over time for many things but that is pretty irrelevant. Chances are a pregnant woman can shoot a gun without harming her unborn child but they are discouraged from doing so on the off chance that the lead in the air could harm the fetus. Similar reasoning lead to changes in the handling of DU munitions by the military.

The number of sick veterans from wars including desert storm has never been shown to be statistically abnormal hence no link to DU or even ealier culprits such as agent orange in vietnam.

The empirical and scientific evidence is simply not there

 

Don't trust any statistics you didn't do by your own (or faked by your own) ... basic law in finance!
Seriously ... that the official statistics show otherwise and that Pentagon is building a wall against any serious examination and investigation from real neutral side is true and fact. The reason is simple, because other issues when military material cause health problems show that this will become very expensive! 1 Example: The radar screens and so the radar operators and here particularly those of the ADA batteries as for example those using the HAWK system in the West, as well those of the SAM "whatever" in the East got later often cancer. Reason: The X-Rays of the Screens!

That DU is only small and irrelevant radioactive is correct and who tells otherwise is utterly wrong. To touch the X-Ray machine in a hospital is more dangerous if an older one. BUT ... this all is changing when the DU projectile aka silver bullet spreads into dust and fragments.
One point you have to note is that the silver bullet is no US development, but a German one. As you know, the M1A1/A2 use the 120mm gin of the German Leopard 2 MBT ... and so Germany developed the DU ammunition too. BUT this was not put into service and so a little bit lesser good ammunition on Tungsten base was out into service. Why? Because the German investigations about the use of DU clearly told the heavy worse impact for health and environment.
After US took over the German gun and exchanged them with the first 105mm gun in M1 tanks, they took over the DU ammunition too. SINCE THEN it is suddenly denied that DU ammunition is so dangerous! Strange, isn't it?

 

The short like book - Hiroshima - was reguired reading in my era.
It was very sad,but necessary.War is Ugly.
" Without bigots,eccentrics,cranks and heretics the world would
not progress." -- Frank Burgess

The prevailing wisdom at the time was that without the Bomb { Atomic Bomb }
The War { WWII } might never cease.It had to be ended.

" If we do not abolish war on this earth,then surely,one day war will abolish
us from the earth."
" It is an Atomic bomb.It is the harnessing of
the basic power of the universe. "
Harry S Truman { Announcement about the Hiroshima
bombing, } July 28,1945

 

DU used in US munitions has 60% of the radioactivity of natural uranium and yes,uranium only poses a radiation hazard if it is breathed in, eaten or drunk, or enters part of the body exposed by injury.and the matter is those people in Iraq are breathing the weather explosion with this weapon happened and are touching vehicles exploded and using the dust and water witch is polluted. [like Vietnamese problem on orange agent US used] Even Inhalation of amount one atom uranium dust is harmful. DU, on impact burns through armor creating a plume of radioactive dust.breathing in depleted uranium dust made these people sick.
combined effect of DU’s heavy metal and its radioactivity can damage DNA and may cause genetic defects and tumors .The military has warned about the potential dangers of breathing in DU-contaminated dust, watch the instructional video produced for the U.S. military in 1995...

 

first of all I want to make it clear that I am not defending Japan or Germany or any of those who took part at that damn war.
secede,absolutely producing,having,and also using any sort of weapons of mass destruction is big unforgivable mistake which unfortunately today civilized [read stupid!!!] human is doing.
by the way I don't understand condemnation Japan endeavor to reach weapons of mass destruction and giving US this right to USE these weapons!
of course US was helping one of two fronts in war by selling them weapons and more and about Pearl Harbor read it: http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p119_Stolley.html [if U want to research on it there is more detailed information]
that is a brief information about US governors perpetual strong desire to take part in wars [every where and every time!] as US is capitalistic country and as those who have money are those who really control US and as US economy needs war so..??...
specially about the war that the main reason of that [in deep research] was having the control of more land and having more colony![reading a bout the reason US took part in first war can help too.]
also as I said if U read more detailed and valid historical sources U will see Japan became very weak in last years and US really was not have to bring a bout that brutality and test it's new weapon! and at that war more than 50 million people were killed so not only those who were defeated in the war but also all those who took part at that war were faulty.at least those who were killed in Pearl Harbor were military not civilians...

but I really didn't want talk about that.my main problem is, imagine we accept US had to use nuke-bomb against Japan but what about other weapons of mass destruction used by US around the world and brought about great problems for innocent civilians,as two example I mentioned orange agent and DU.in Vietnam after more than 50 years the effect of orange agent is horrible.did U know in some cities if a mother can have a healthy baby would hide that from others?!!do U know what that means?!so why US did it?US had to do those too?

 

Agent Orange is a defoliant and herbicide. It in no way qualifies as a weapon of mass destruction.

You can't equate elevated cancer risks whether from the dioxin in Agent Orange or the heavy metal poisons of depleted uranium with the true horror of a real weapon of mass destruction.

 

War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. Other simple remedies were within their choice. You know it and they know it, but they wanted war, and I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave in till we are whipped or they are. - William Tecumseh Sherman

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over. - William Tecumseh Sherman

I believe Bin Laden thought the very same thing as do many in the middle east. We tried backing off before our enemies were completely destroyed in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. All turned into disasters. If the U.S. comes under attack on our own soil, somehow I doubt the attackers country would be so lucky.

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." - Isoroku Yamamoto

 

[video=youtube;rWu4te-55Ko]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWu4te-55Ko[/video]

Watch and learn.

Not to mention the Japanese emperor believed that death was more honorable than surrendering and had planned to make all Japanese men, women and children fight to the death if the US went with their original plans and invaded Japan by land (Operation Downfall) - the bombs were meant to intimidate Japan into surrendering with fewer casualties, particularly American casualties, in the long run, and it worked.

 

Putting over 100,000 people in internment camps and bombing another 100,000+ people solely based off of their race was justified because it "showed them"? I wonder if you kill my mother, I can kill your whole family. I mean, you're the same blood, right?

 

it is explained about the way it effects people but about American soldiers, it absolutely effected many of them,have a look
http://www.globalresearch.ca/explaining-how-depleted-uranium-is-killing-civilians-soldiers-land/6009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-us-veterans-and-depleted-uranium-du/6353?print=1

wish U knew the meaning of war.not experience it but could know it in some way!U could understand what it means when U sleep at nights with your families and friend and wakes up in the pool of their blood!or wake up while some soldiers invaded your home and pointed their guns on your head and are bothering your family members,or U had this chance to know what it means when some foreigners invade your country and ruin your cities,and go around with tanks and guns and no one ask them why U killed some innocents,U don't know what it meas to say goodby to your families every time that U are leaving home because U don't know if U have this chance to see them again.U don't know what it means when your country occupiers prison your sister without any court of justice and she writes about sexual violence your sister and her friends experienced which happened about 9 times in a day while 3 or 4 men took part in, in her last letter before her death...
maybe if U know it U wouldn't defend what US government did!

US needs people supports for wars it brings about!so needs medias!so needs justification to kill people!needs to produce(!!!) an imaginary enemy for Americans!
hey Americans! U are living in a heaven and other nations are going to demolish it so lets kill them sooner!!!
destroy walls medias mad for U and see the reality!

 

None of your links show empirical evidence.

Repeating that du has some POTENTIALLY harmful toxic effects has been done to death.

Exhaust from diesel or gas engines can POTENTIALLY cause harmful effects.

None of the people crying alarm can show empirical evidence that it has caused such harm.

The fact remains unchallenged that veterans show no discernable rise in illnesses.

Civilians show no increase in illnesses attributable to du either.

Once again people ignore hundreds of other causes for birth defects in third world nations like iraq

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Complete failure to address facts.

It was not based on race or to show them.

They started a.war of conquest which is the part you missed

 

Not sure what that "Unit 731" has to do with the OP ,but it's too early to feel that disgusted.
As for all the people getting sick in Iraq,that was mostly from the burn pits.
DU is not all that this thread is jacking it up to be.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-of-the-silver/