The independence of Cataluña from Spain: What do you think about?

I live in Andalucía. In the Statute of Autonomy, approved in referendum on February 18, 2007, Andalusia is defined as a national entity in the preamble and as a historic nationality in its first section.

 

and??? I am not talking about it, I was referring about a supposed separatist feeling that dont exist in andalucia, and if you live there, you must notice it.

 

Rule over? No. Just to separate politically and form their own form of self-governance. Afterwards, the majority would continue as usual, only it would no longer rule over the minority.

 

Any more attitude like yours and there will be a demand for independence for the Andalusian nation.

 

Exit polls are indicating a separatist win but maybe just short of 50%

https://twitter.com/search?q=Catalan+election&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

 

What a silly remark!

Catalonia goes way back to the pre-Roman days of the Carthaginians, for goodness sake. In fact Cartagena, which was founded by the Phoenicians, roughly translates as Carta Nueva (in Spanish) or New Carthage (in English). The great Carthaginian warrior Hannibal's family name was Barça from which we get the name Barçelona.

When the Carthaginians lived in Catalonia the Romance languages such as Spanish or Aragonese did not exist because the first Latins did not come into existence for another 500 years.


You obviously despise the Catalonians but your remarks only make you look very silly and defeat your intended purposes.

 

Exit poll: Pro-secession parties headed for Catalonia win


http://www.netzero-news.net/news/re...s_vote_to_determine_regions_future_as_part-ap




Pro-independence parties in Spain's Catalonia region were likely to win a majority of seats in the regional parliamentary election on Sunday, according to an exit poll, indicating that they must launch negotiations to find a way to push together for a plan to secede from Spain.

The exit poll, commissioned by Catalonia's TV3 channel, showed the "Together for Yes" group of secessionists winning 63-66 seats in the 135-member parliament. That's short of the 68 seats they needed for a majority to push forward their plan to make Catalonia independent from Spain by 2017.

But the radical left pro-independence Popular Unity Candidacy party was projected to win 11 to 13 seats in the parliament, which represents the northeastern region of 7.5 million people bordering France that is responsible for nearly a fifth of Spain's economic output. Polls have closed in Catalonia and votes were being tallied. Final results were expected late Sunday or early Monday.

The two parties could join forces after negotiations but the Popular Unity Candidacy, known as CUP, has insisted that it will only join an independence bid if secessionist parties win a majority of more than 50 percent of the popular vote.
"We have a historic level of participation and it looks like we also have a pro-independence majority. We have done it!" ''Together for Yes" candidate Francesc Homs told a jubilant crowd outside the bloc's campaign headquarters in Barcelona, many of which waved pro-independence flags.

The exit poll showed the pro-independence parties falling just short of that level, because of a quirk in Spanish election law that gives a higher proportion of legislative seats to rural areas with fewer voters. CUP leaders have also declared that they want an immediate declaration of independence rather than the 18-month secession roadmap favored by the "Yes" bloc.


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Homage to Catalonia!


Visca Catalunya lliure!

 

I dont know how can i start to correct you and your "lesson" of history you just write, I suppose you have feelings mixed in this topic, dont believe you are a normal USA citizen, If you wanna believe a catalan was the founder of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing whole world, I wont correct you ok?Be happy

VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE OF FASCISTS AND CORRUPTS!!!

 

it would be hilarious if andalucia get the independence, hilarious if they get it, what will become of they, i think, they are bliss out to be spaniards.

 

There will be no smile on the faces of the Partido Popular when the pro-independence candidates are declared the winners in Catalonia tomorrow.

 

47% for the independence supporters, and almost a 51% favourable to be part of Spain, disaster for the Junts per el Sí, who were totally convinced of their total victory(majority of deputies)by their own, they only aspire to it, if CUP party support for it, but they said they wont do it.

 

Your figures are misleading. It is not percentages which matter but seats in the Catalan parliament. The pro-independence parties, JXSÍ (62) and CUP (10) have 72 seats against 63 to remain under the thumb of Madrid. The two pro-independence parties have already announced that if they win a majority of seats, there will be new elections in 18 months.

 

Hahahaha you bank on the number of deputies instead of the number of total votes??what a democratic guy you are dude!!! Because the vote law actually ruling, i forgot its name, the vote of someone from barcelona is less valuable that ones from a city with less population like lleida or gerona, is that a real democracy???separatists said this elections was like a referendum, and YES!! They have lost!!!! Accept it!!!

 

Any reader can readily note that your response is filled with anger, anxiety, disrespect, hate, and reveal a deep sense of personal insecurity. Such hostility bespeak of a mind that is full of sickness and is hell bent on fomenting trouble rather than in engaging in reasoned and rational discourse.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of Iberian history knows that Phoenicians pre-date Latins in that peninsula. Furthermore, it is no secret that it is the fascists who ceded power from Franco to Juan Carlos and his son who know rules from Madrid.

You are fooling no one with your hate and mischaracterizations. I respectfully suggest that you see a doctor to help alleviate you of your mental discord.

 

Will Carolina remain in personal union with Spain similar to the British Commonwealth, establish an independent monarchy or form a republic?

 

Much depends on the attitude of the conservative Partido Popular. If they resist Catalan desire for more self-determination, then Catalonia will move toward complete independence. It would then very likely be a republic.

 

You have the same radical-mind as a radical pro -independence supporter, attacking anyone who dare to not big up a cataluña separated from spain, the liars politics from that spanish region have inyected their ideas deeply in your little head, I am not going to talk with such a fanatic.Dont attack me with the spanish monarchy, i am not friend of it, so i dont mind what you could say about that.see you in doctor guy

 

^ more attacks but nothing substantive in the reply ~ no surprise given the state of mind of the pro-monarchist critic

 

Your answers match a lot with the name you labelled yourself "Mr truth", how can I discuss anything with such a person who knows all and never get wrong??

My respects MR TRUTH, master of the universe and king of the catalans,

 

Again, more insinuations but not a shred of substantive argument in his spiel.

Obviously, you have been defeated in this debate and such nonsense as you continue post confirm my analysis.





As for Catalonia, I say ETERNAL HOMAGE!

 

The independence of Catalonia is very easy way. It is only possible two way:

a) A Referendum in Spain.. because Spanish People is the only sovereign
Section 1.2
National Sovereignty belongs to the Spanish People, from whom all States Powers emanete.

So a referendum an a very easy question. Do you want Catalonia will be an Independent Country? Yes or not.
A referendum in Gerona and Lérida and also in Tenerife, Guipúzcoa and Madrid and Valencia and Sevilla etc etc If it wins the Yes.. so Catalonia will be independence.

b) To win a war.

 

gIven Andalucia is a PP stronghold that seems unlikely.

 

If Andalucía is a "stronghold" of the right-wing Partido Popular, that party must be set for extinction because the biggest support in the regional government is enjoyed by the socialist PSOE.
PSOE 47 seats
PP 33 seats (losing 500,000 votes and 17 seats from 2012)

Contrary to your nonsense, Andalucía has traditionally been considered a PSOE stronghold, being the only region of Spain in which no other party has headed the community's government; PSOE winning all elections (municipal, regional, European and general) since 1977 except for those held in 2011 and 2012. If you lived in Spain, you would be more familiar with reality.

 

Exactly, Andalusia is a PSOE´s stronghold but PP wins all the elections from 2010 (General, European, regional).. Only lost in Catalonia, Basque Comunity and Andalusia.

 

You are correct and I withdraw my remark