Republicans Again Looking Like Bums On Obamacare!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    The Republicans on Obamacare are a big disappointment they haven't learned anything over the last seven years! Here they go again with their bills to repeal Obamacare. What is it going to take to get the Republicans to accept that the majority of the American people don't want to go back to the pre-Obamacare days where if you had healthcare insurance and you got sick you discovered your insurance wouldn't cover all the treatments you needed to get well or worse your insurance company would just drop coverage on you. Before Obamacare America's healthcare system did not work for too many people, Republicans are not addressing this fact - REPUBLICANS NEED TO ACCEPT THE BASIC PREMISE THAT HEALTH INSURANCE IS TO COMPLICATED FOR ORDINARY AMERICANS THEY NEED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO REQUIRE INSURANCE COMPANIES TO COVER ESSENTIAL SERVICES SO IF THEY GET SICK THEIR INSURANCE WILL PROVIDE THE MEANS FOR THEM TO GET WELL AGAIN!



    The Republicans are right that the cost of health care insurance due to Obamacare is way too high it is at a crisis level and the cost are spiraling higher at even more an alarming rate! The solution is too apply fiscally prudent principles to the system not throw out the system. These principles would include making essential benefits exactly that essential benefits not benefits one would like to have. For example, do away with the free preventive care benefit although make preventive care not subject to the deductible. Mandate only emergency health care coverage and only an initial addiction treatment program be covered not making such services on par with non-mental health services. Eliminate the mandate for free contraceptive services this is not an essential service essential means necessary to diagnose and cure a significant health problem. Of course, allowing American to purchase health insurance across state lines is supported by these principles.



    The Republicans have to stop being partisan about Obamacare, Obamacare is based on Republican principles of marketplace solutions to problems. It is unconscionable for Republicans not to embrace the framework of healthcare exchanges for creating large pools of healthcare insurance enrollees so the higher cost of enrollees with preexisting conditions can be spread out throughout these pools so that health insurance can be made affordable. A multitude of experts will tell you there is only really two problems with the implementation of this good model, first, is that the insurance offered on these exchanges had too many mandates which jacked-up the prices of the exchange insurance and these high prices deterred people that would not get subsidies in the exchanges from buying on the exchange and deterred young people from buying on the exchange who because of their age likely won't need insurance anyway and the high cost just makes it easy for them to make that choice. The second problem is people jumping on the exchanges and buying the insurance only when they need healthcare services and this can be remedied by the common talked about solution of denying access to the exchanges outside of the open enrollment period unless their is a legitimate excuse like a person changed jobs and lost their employer sponsored healthcare insurance. The Republican proposed solution to the pre-existing medical condition problem of having these individual state programs where these people can buy health insurance is not a solution it is a failure response to the problem; states cannot even afford their current Medicaid expenses and the Federal Government wants to throw a huge healthcare program, the sick people program, on top of that it would be laughable if it wasn't so scary you would paralyze state governments across the nation.



    Republicans need to stop living in their own world get some courage and work with the current system and reform it and listen to the mass of experts that going back to the legislative process of 2009 and 2010 said all these mandates the Federal Government was planning on health care insurance were going to cause health care insurance to rise at least twenty to forty percent they were spot on and Republicans should get to the business of rolling back these non-essential mandates! If Republicans do this they will be leading with wisdom and goodness and will eventually prevail bringing a success story for the American People. If the Republicans persist on their repeal and replace agenda for Obamacare which offers "sucky" health insurance for a huge portion of the American people they will get their head handed to them in the upcoming election. Because the Democrats have an easy identifiable "bad" guy for the skyrocketing health insurance problem "the pharmaceutical companies" and this guy is easy to hate and it will be easy to rally the American people to take down this bad guy. The only thing the Democrats have to do is reference the list of drugs that have been on the market for years and over the last two to three years have experienced double and triple digit increases in price completely unjust increases. Or Democrats could reference these drugs where the drug company CEO is clearly maximizing profit at the expense of sick Americans for example the Hepatitis C pill that cost over a thousand dollar a pill. If Republicans want the Oval Office they need to stop working for Big Business and start working for the American People!
     
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    That will never happen!
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obamacare has jacked up rates for a lot of us and we do not like it.

    We will never be on board with spending more money.
     
  4. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    poppycock...

    Republicans learned obama is an outright liar willing to spew falsehoods to the American people, in order to pass his socialist failure of an agenda.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Many of the republicans were put in office specifically to destroy obamacare. What makes you think we don't want them to do what they were put in office for?
     
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    If they're not voting for Obama, they're losers and don't know anything.

    Even though Republicans want their elected officials to get rid of that disaster.
     
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    The way things are going for Obamacare they need to kill it before it kills us.

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/19/news/economy/unitedhealth-obamacare/

    More and more reports are coming in from various organization involved with Obamacare, that say it is not sustainable. Better to cut the infected tissue off now and graft on something better.
     
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    We need a single-payer model like they have around Europe. As long as you let insurance companies into the system, they (*)(*)(*)(*) it up.
    Healthcare is a national priority.
     
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    I do not want a politician telling me what can be insured.
     
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    Most Republicans from Day One when Obama was sworn in as President wanted his Administration to fail. It's just sour grapes from the loss in 2008 and again in 2012.
     
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    oh i know, its just like democrats claiming al gore won the election over gwb.
     
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    Last Thursday, Republicans in the Senate got their vote to destroy the hated "Obamacare" legislation that has meant insurance for millions of Americans who previously had none. They have no replacement. In addition, they also voted to defund Planned Parenthood, which will deprive tens of thousands of low-income women needed contraceptive counseling, testing, and other services that they cannot afford on their own. So, hats off to our wonderful Republicans for standing tall for insurance companies and screwing over average Americans. Kind of lets you know whose side they're really on, doesn't it? Granted. the bill will be vetoed by Obama and cannot be overridden, but, by golly, those Repubs stood tall and showed the people of this country just where their priorities are (and it ain't the average person to whom they showed this ([​IMG]).
     
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    Just wait until you get your bill in two years , and you will be blaming our Republican President ! :roflol:
     
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    Well, for one thing, I'm on Medicare, so not too worried. As for everyone else, do they actually believe they'd be better off trusted to the tender mercies of insurance companies? Hell, that's one of the reasons we GOT the ACA.
     
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    As of today, only 43% of the people like ObamaCare...

    Public Approval of Health Care Law
     
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    I'm sure your loving the co-pay increases for all your meds since OTRAMACARE went into effect ! Most have quadrupled !!!

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    duh , 50% don't work , so I'm sure you could find 43% deadbeat that would agree free sh*t is great !! :clapping:
     
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    What's the big deal??? You can write off your medical expenses along with the premiums paid on your taxes, so you'll get back most of your monies anyhow.
     
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    Naw,... Ya might lessen yer tax bill, but yer gettin' Nothin' back,.....
     
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    I for one, wanted the President to succeed. Unfortunately, more times than not he dropped the ball.
     
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    Lol! The bad thing about it is, they haven't a clue as to why their trying to get rid of it.
     
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    I might not, but my brother who is on ACA got back money last year.
     
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    On Schedule A, report the total medical expenses you paid during the year on line 1 and your adjusted gross income (from line 38 of your Form 1040) on line 2.
    Enter 10% of your adjusted gross income on line 3.
    Enter the difference between your expenses and 10% of your adjusted gross income on line 4.
    The resulting amount on line 4 will be subtracted from your adjusted gross income to reduce your taxable income for the year.
    If this amount, plus any other standard deductions you claim, is less than your standard deduction, you should not itemize.

    HMMM.......first you must be able to itemize, Second you lose 10% of your adjusted gross income. Thirdly, you only get to reduce your income from what's left. And lastly, only (and I repeat only) if you have GREAT medical expenses would this help AND you'll never, ever get back "most of your monies".
    IMO......better than 95% of actual tax payers will benefit from your so-called tax write off. Maybe netter than 98% come to think of it.
    Gotta know how the tax man cometh before you lay claim to how the tax man workth......
     
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    I am well aware of what drug companies are, and have been doing, for some time. Matter of fact, those costs are one of the principle reasons why the cost of health care has jumped so much. I have no arguments with businesses making a profit at all; but I prefer not to have my bank account raped in the process when there is no good reason (other than making a pile of money) for it to happen. My guess is that if it keeps up, the same thing will happen to pharmaceutical companies that happened to insurance companies - the heavy hand of government will land on them.
     
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    Why?

    I guess you prefer that your employer and the insurance company they hire dictate that to you instead.
     

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