Texas denying anchor babies birth certificates!

if we want labor like that, lets have them come in on pre-legal visa's to do farm labor.... they do that for say 5 years... they become full Citizens

and no one is gonna work for .2 cents an hour, not even illegals

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Other way around.

 

Securing the border is about more than mooching/job snatching illegal aliens, it also goes to security from enemies, illnesses, drugs and likely other things that I didn't think of off the top of my head.
All of which are legitimate expenditures.

INS isn't rounding up anyone as it no longer exsists.
Now we have USCIS, ICE and CBP.

The current cost of illegal aliens (around $113b/yr) could be deferred to deportations to the tune of well over 11million illegals deported if the government doesn't play the round up game.
Rounding them up would keep it to just over 11million a year with the deferred funds.

Add to the your suggestion to find other ways to discourage illegal immigration and real progress would be made fairly quick in comparison to the decades gone by skirting the issue.

All the while opening jobs for the millions of unemployed US citizens that are currently costing the country big bucks as well. In turn freeing up even more money for the endeavor.

 

I bet we are the silent majority.

 

Slaves in China will. That's why Apple moved all of its manufacturing there. Investors liked the results so much, they promoted the architect to CEO of the company!

 

Personally, I'd be OK with 1 or 2 people in our country NOT owning ALL of the farmland. What's wrong with smaller family owned farms with people that actually do their own work?

 

Lol, nope

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You'd lose

 

"Nearly" full authority. The devil, as ever, is in the details.

 

People exploiting our laws are not GOOD people. Illegals add nothing positive to our economy or culture. They're a drain. They use more than the give. 1 ER visit cancels out any contributions they offer. The free baby delivery alone takes them a decade to "pay off" in labor even though the hospital never sees a dime. They spread blight, lower property values, increase crime and raise insurance rates. They offer the country NOTHING we Can't get through a legal temp VISA system. And if people over stay they should be arrested, deported and put on a terror watch list...and their country of origin should get the bill.

 

I get that you are willing to pay lots of money to deport them and think that securing the border will prevent them from coming back. I'm not sure that is the wisest use of our money to go that route. We've spent lots of money on those options already and they aren't working effectively. Please understand, I don't want to reward illegal immigration, I want it to stop. If your boat is sinking, bailing water does no good, if you don't first plug the hole in the bottom. Rounding them up and deporting them in mass is just as futile, if there is a reason for them to risk coming back. We have to stop giving them reasons to come here and stay. Those that come here for jobs won't come if they aren't hired. That's on American employers not to hire them. It's obvious that isn't going to happen voluntarily, or it already would have happened. Laws and regulations need to be enforced on those that hire illegals, just as much, if not more, than funding mass deportation. I don't know about your area, but in my area, when the economy slowed, most of the skilled and semi-skilled illegals went back home. Those that stayed had either started a small business here, or didn't have the funds to leave.

Those that come here as part of criminal networks need to be jailed here, not deported, so they can turn around and come back in.

It's a multifaceted problem that will require more than one solution. Throwing money at the problem isn't going to fix it, unless some of that money is spent to eliminate the reason they come here in the first place and there are economic consequences to every step we take in dealing with this problem, both positive and negative.

 

I was referring to Americans or those coming here to escape places like that....

 

They didn't go home they went next door so to speak.

The money is already being spent, I merely suggest changing how.

I'm ok with jailing them for labor prior to deportation.

I'm also onboard with adding those that aid and employ illegals to the jailed labor force.

Other options as well are fine.

It's all for naught if the border remains unsecure.

I don't believe our opinions are so far apart.

 

It would be interesting to have the denial of birth certificates tested in court. A UN human rights issue endorsed by USA states that a child has a right to nationality at birth. Texas is denying that right.

 

Only 30 countries out of 194 grant citizenship to anyone born within their borders. If you're looking to the UN to help, you're tilting at windmills. Children do have a right to nationality, the nationality of their parents. Texas isn't, and can't, stop that.

 

They aren't also denying nationality all citizens of the nation and immigrants and illegal aliens follow the same identification rules and since the parents are foreign nationals their children will be of the parents nation by default whatever nation (or nations) those are. You show the proper ID and can get all the birth certificates you care to pay for ,assuming, a small fee for the time needed and to make a legal copy properly stamped.

 

So, it's, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need," unless the person in question doesn't have the ability to obtain the proper papers and then it becomes, "You need to get your Mexican ass out of here, and I don't care if you are an American citizen or not." Nice.

Thank you for providing a gleaming example of the popular notion that communists don't really care about their fellow man, but instead are motivated by their own primal selfishness.

 

Whether they have a right to the nationality of their parents is irrelevant since the children in question are American citizens. They are just as much an American as you are. The fact that you really, really don't like that does not even enter into the equation.

 

Communist are all about The Killing Fields.

 

no other country on this planet does this kind of stupid thing. Why are we expected to give citizenship to people who hate us and only do it for money for their kids.

 

Why does this have to be so complicated? Why can't we decide a date from this day forward that illegals having babies will not become a U.S. citizen and will be deported.

 

You can decide that...theoretically. Just get enough people to agree with you then get a Constitutional Amendment passed to that effect.

Easy-peasy. Keep us posted on your progress (or utter lack thereof).

 

The liberal idea that families will be ripped apart if illegals are deported is BS. They can take their kids back to Mexico with them.

 

When an immigrant comes legally to the US, he can apply for social services only after a certain working time. When the new legal resident comes by petition of the family, the family must show that the new immigrant will be supported by them.

Because the new legal resident has been accepted by the US, this immigrant can apply for work, live in the US, study, marry, have children, do everything as US citizens do but vote. Only US citizens can vote.

On the other hand, illegal immigrants weren't accepted by the US but they infiltrated into the US land without permission. Any problems they might have in the US is not the responsibility of the US government but the responsibility of their country of origin.

When an American has problems in other countries, Americans try to contact the US Embassy for help.

This is what illegal immigrant must do, to call their embassies for help. The responsibility of those embassies is to care for their citizens. So, if they need money to survive in the US, then their embassies must find the way to feed them. The US government is not obligated to feed illegal immigrants in trouble, neither to provide them shelter or anything.

If the US government has a program to help illegal immigrants, we have a conflict of laws and such problem must be fixed. Only emergencies and temporary situations or extraordinary cases might be accepted so the US government can act directly to solve a problem.

The initiative of denying the born citizenship to children of illegal immigrants is a good tool to stop illegal immigration. In reality, this initiative should have been enforced decades ago.

Those newborn children of illegal immigrants cannot be recognized by the US government but by the embassies of the countries of origin of the illegal immigrants.

Don't let corrupt attorneys keeping their manipulation of the law.

 

For those who support the idea that being born here does not make you a citizen, how far back into our nation's history do you propose we go to root out those whose subsequent generations have in fact been illegal aliens this entire time? Do we try at all, or do we just round up the current ones?

Or would you agree with retroactive citizenship for all born here prior to this proposed official change in the law?

 

No the child's a citizen of the USA just to get a Birth Certificate proper ID is needed.