Reaganism has killed the middle class, still going. Great job!

Social Security and welfare and Medicare do nothing to support Government.

Sure, Democrats voted in all those taxes and are quite proud they exist until they get called out for them.

Even then, many Democrats though hail those taxes as regressive and on the poor, adore their product.

I have seen them brag a lot over what FDR did to this country.

But when you look at the paycheck and note the tax bill, taken from the chart named income tax, the picture of the poor as a big taxpayer pales almost out of existence. They pay taxes to support themselves once out of work.

Unemployment is not to pay for war.

Something is wrong with a country that is allowed to tax the rich so heavily then pretend they got tax cuts.

Something truly is messed up with the thinking habits who hurl rubbish at the rich so they can keep paying next to nothing for actual income taxes.

 

I am a very good example of screwed over by the Feds laws.

Quickly this happened. I worked since 1993, as a self employed mortgage person, fully licensed by CA.

The license was the authority needed to be in the mortgage business.

Dodd Frank.... we all remember that law.

Supposedly it cured the problem.

What it did is FORCE CA and all states to screw the mortgage industry.

We had passed strict tests and proven our character to get our licenses. Now the state had to sic the FBI on all of us. And sic the credit agencies on us.

I never have got a loan for a client from my funds. All funds come from institutions. If they get checked, that is one thing. But they Dodd Franks boys reached way down.

I took required schooling, passed the required test, paid a hell of a lot of money for just that, then to top it off, handed to the State another large fee. This they took in May. This is July and still I have no decision. I was told that many have waited a very long time. Thank you Democrats for keeping me out of business. Thanks a heck of a lot.

 

Point is, everyone pays 20-30% in ALL taxes and fees and the rich end up with all the new wealth. Great job, New BS GOP and its silly dupes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/

 

Look at the gd graph. The only graph you need to see. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/

 

EVERYONE pays 20-30% in all taxes and fees, and the rich get all the new wealth, and the middle class disappears.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/

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You'll make more money in the end. You're welcome.

 

Without being able to pass a gd thing to solve this Reaganist mess?

 

Unresponsive, graph is bogus, already dealt with the chicanery of calling sales taxes "state and local taxes," and already dealt with the fact that in many states, necessities like food aren't sales taxed, or taxed less. Already dealt with payroll taxes, other posters have as well. Yes, we are all aware of the taxpayer paid for LW Complex propaganda lie-machine that distorts tax data to make it appear that "the poor" pay more than they do. It's hogwash that you keep repeating. We all know the lie narrative was specifically crafted to benefit public unions, not any "poor." OF COURSE WAPO, one of the most dishonest Complex outlets wants people to believe that "it's the only tax graph anyone needs to know," simplistic on its face and inaccurate to boot.

30% of returns pay 97% of federal taxes, and that carries into real state and local taxes like state income taxes and property taxes as well. Stop comparing sales tax and payroll taxes, one is avoidable with respect to necessities of life, and the other is, as the LW Complex who created it tells us, a "trust fund" not a true tax. But hey, I'll make you a deal, let's abolish SS and Medicare and then "the poor" will pay 0 payroll taxes. Sound good?

And no "everyone" does not pay 20-30% in taxes, only the 53% pays and they pay 30-50% at all levels. Finally, insisting on calling our current tax policy "Reaganist" is purposefully dishonest, a plain LIE narrative. MANY changes, additions, subtractions have been made to the IRC in the THIRTY YEARS since Reagan and the DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS he labored under.

Again, save it for the union hall. Your "argument" (cutpasting out of context, inaccurate graphs) has been debunked in thread after thread on this forum.

 

The point is to conflate ALL taxes is folly but the typical tactic used by the "lets stick it to the rich" side when cornered in their "fair share" nonsense.

Also note that the EITC is left out of such claims.

 

Don't call us bigots for wanting to control our borders.
Open borders is just this:

Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans white countries for everyone.

 

white countries for everyone.

But you take umbrage at the claim of bigotry?

Well....Okkkaayyyyyy then

 

Maybe this will help you understand.



The Mantra


ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/the-white-mantra/

 

BS lol. There are PLENTY of state and local taxes AND FEES beside sales tax, and they ALL hit the nonrich much harder, and they've been going up ever since Reagan cut Fed income tax and raised payroll taxes. What do want to call this pander-to-the-rich mess, defended to the death for 35 years?

 

Another fine Trump voter....wonder why he's polling at 0% among blacks a lot of places...

 

But that is the one that most hits lower income groups.

But those are individual state issues and nothing to do with national tax policy which is the subject here.

You mean the federal tax rate cuts which increased revenues and allowed block grants to states to easy their funding?

Why do you oppose tax rate cuts that bring in more revenue and increase the share of taxes paid by the higher earners. Should the tax rate be set at a point you really think "gets the rich" or at a rate that brings in the most revenue? What is your goal satisfy you envy of them or bring in the most revenues?

 

The richest are taxed LESS than the middle class if you count all taxes and fees. AND getting almost all the new wealth recently. The GOP is totally misinformed. Change the channel and read something.

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Ditto. Read the link.

 

Because he is not offering more welfare but a better chance to work and earn a living? You know like when Gingrich and Kasich reformed welfare with stricter welfare to work requirements while at the same time putting the economy into high gear with their capital gains tax rate cut.

 

I can see by your response you are still befudeld. I quoted the "Mantra" to a British intel agent summer before last. His eyes squinted up becasue he knew he couldn't answer it.
But then by definition British intelligence agents are intelligent.
The white genocide discussed in the Mantra is a violation of the U.N. convention on genocide.


Convention on the
Prevention and Punishment
of the Crime of Genocide



Adopted by Resolution 260 (III) A of the United Nations General Assembly on 9 December 1948.

Article 1
The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

Article 2
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

In Nice this week the genocide got violent

 

Read my previous post concerning it and the folly of conflating of ALL federal taxes and fees and then trying to conflate that with state and local taxes. We are talking Reagan's tax policies which had NOTHING to do with state and local tax systems and the rates applied. Those are 50 separate issues and you can't just lump them altogether and come up with some number. To do so requires all sorts of assumptions.

 

Gee Golly Gosh Mommie.Is this what you were talking about
with Dad at the dinner table most nights.?
That public education will lead to dopey voters.
Like it's baked into the cake,Mommie.
Yes,Harold.Like those who voted for Obama always thunk they just
blame everything on President Bush.
They ran on it in 2008 and still go back to the Bush.
But Mommie ... Mommie ... Bush ain't knowed Reagan.
What has Presdient Reagan got to do with Taxes Today.?
Makes no nevermind,Harold.The left and Obama voters will
thunk-up somethin' by golly.
On account that Cake,Huh Maw.?
yes,Harold on account dat Cake.

 

What happened, and there are plenty of books written on this subject, is that with Reagan came a dismantling of the FDR economic model which created the largest middle class in world history. For it was not based upon the maximization of profits, but upon a reasonable profit, and capitalism was regulated, including banking, in order to keep the income and wealth from going to the top, as it is today. This of course is what enlarged our middle class.

This FDR model started to be dismantled beginning with Reagan, and has continued with the help of both dems and repubs. We call this model that Reagan brought back, neoliberalism, and a part of that is trickle down, or supply side economics. Two major tools are open borders for cheap labor, which depresses wages in particular sectors, and free trade globalization which sends jobs to extremely poor people under gov'ts which allow the exploitation of their workers. So, the MNCs get cents on the dollar labor, maxing out their profits, as they become a parasite upon America's consumer market. So these big corporations no longer contribute to our economy, our wages. The loss in income of americans, that slack was taken up by borrowing, and even a bum could get a credit card a fews years ago, until things crashed.

I have seen GOPhers here blame free trade and open borders on the dems. Yet the facts of history show that NAFTA was put together by Bush Sr. although to be fair, offshoring started in the 70s, but needed free trade in order to really hollow out and deindustrialize America. So, Bush lost the election, and so did Perot who tried to tell working americans that the giant sucking sound they would hear would be our jobs leaving this nation. But americans were not paying attention, and perhaps did not believe it would ever happen, for it would be a change in America like nothing we have ever seen. Clinton signed NAFTA, after lying to the people about how they wouldn;t have to get dirty anymore working in manufacturing and we would all be wearing white shirts, coming home clean from sitting all day. And it wouldn;t gut out the middle, no, we would all do better. He had to twist democratic arms to get enough votes to go with the GOP voters, who were in majority for NAFTA for after all, it was a GOP idea.

So, with Clinton the democratic party changed, and they became open border free traders joining in with the GOPhers. And the results of that, from Reagan til today has devastated and hollowed out America, to the great benefit of the elites. So both parties are treasonous bastards, and the libs here need to stop spinning like a top, and the GOPhers need to stop lying.

Open borders free trade globalization is nothing more than the greatest scheme to send more of the income pie to the top. This idea came from Reagan and the GOP. And when the dems bought into it, and helped to dismantled the FDR model that made history, with the largest middle class, they turned their backs on the working and middle class. This is what actually took place. Which is why I voted for Perot, because what he was trying to tell America was the truth. And anyone who had a half ass education could see how gutting this nation of jobs would hurt everyone but the top 10 percent. For it was basic common sense.

We did not see the largest middle class in world history created under open borders free trade globalization. But we have seen what this has done to this nation, unless you are blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other. And that is all of the evidence anyone with a good brain should need. And you can thank the election of Reagan, and the defeat of Perot for this.

 

Because Blacks are,by and large,on the Government Plantation.
One could make the argument Blacks are returning to their Roots.
Like Certain Spawning fish.

 

Fed aid goes down, state etc taxes and fees go up, hurt nonrich most. Period. Taxes are taxes. WTF are you talking about...

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Thanks to discrimination by GOP racists duh. etc. Open the eyes. And of course GOP bubbles/busts/depressions, Big Corp/Rich pandering

 

F.D.R. Policies exascerbated the Dust Bowl years and prolonged the Depression.
Just read the book Walter Cronkite called " This is can't-put-it-down history. "
That being the winner of the National Book award :
- The Worst Hard Time -
By Timothy Egan

 

I have not read that book but a very good book on the same topic is by Amity Shlaes and she proved in her book that is the case. That and the work done by Milton Friedman earlier to win his nobel prize killed the FDR ideas.

That democrats cling to him so desperately shows they really are the weak people.

 

Trump is doing great with blacks..... Let me guess you heard that he's polling at 0% from the media right?

Why don't you look at social media - look at youtube.... Youtube is full of blacks (voting age blacks, not 14-year-olds) that love Trump and consistently and have been consistently slamming Hillary, Obama and the BLM nonsense.

A lot of black folks are tired of BLM and the progressives. They see all this crazy race crap and the plantation and know who is responsible for it....

They know Hillary wants open borders when blacks can't even find work - they know they're getting played.

You see, that is one of the great things about social media - people are no longer controlled by the traditional progressive media and people are waking up and realizing how terrible progressives are for everyone.

So yeah, keep on buying those numbers...

0% lol...