Blatant discrimination:’ Christian B&B owner fined $80K for refusing gay ‘wedding’ co

That's what I'm not understanding about this argument from either side, the right is calling for allowing discrimination only against gay people and keeping protections in place for themselves while the left is calling for involuntary servitude. Why not allow any small business the ability to do as they see fit, most likely they will lose business and individuals can choose where their money goes.

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So you support removing religious affiliation from the list of protected groups?

 

That is you. But probably not you 50 or 60 yrs ago.
Most whites would only patron stores that carried that sign back then. It was the leftist saying it was wrong and then making a law to show it is wrong.

Just like some christians today want to do similar.

 

Yes. Because lying is not a sin in the eyes of their religion. So they end up in hell so they don't have to serve a gay couple. LOL.

But if the didn't want to be hypocrites, they should demand a statement that this is their 1st and only marriage. Because adultery is a sin in their eyes, just like gay sex.
But, all christians are hypocrites. For according to the religion, everyone sins. And there is no ranking of sins.

 

If I don't want kosher food at a Jewish deli, should they be forced to make me a ham sandwich with provolone cheese and mayo?

This entire idea is an attack on Christianity, not a preservation of anybody's rights.

Don't like it, go somewhere the hell else. I'm sure there are B&B's elsewhere that are just as nice.

If I demanded that a Muslim restaurant serve me ham you would call me a bigot.

But because it's a Christian you demand we cater to your wishes against our religion.

 

Wrong, it was leftist that passed laws to allow that sign. Jim Crow. We had to get the laws repealed, but now have gone too far the other way. Now we pass laws telling business who they shall serve, its Jim Crow all over again...

 

Here's where your argument totally breaks down. The discrimination of color was not a religious stance, It was cultural.
A Kosher deli doesn't say that a Christian may not eat there, but they may not be served non Kosher food there.
The B&B did not deny them lodging there, they denied them the ability to perform a ceremony against their religious beliefs.

 

I feel that they should have to at least sub contract out a cake to someone else, but a fine like they got is just over the top and stupid.

But that aside...

It's the hypocricy that gets me.

There are plenty of examples of other religions, beliefs and stances not getting the same "stick" as any Christian groups do.

I feel like a broken record saying this, but THIS is why Donald Trump won.

The Left has done some great things to get our country more towards equality, but they are reaching too far. It's like the pendulum finally reached the top of its swing and is going back the other way now. You guys just reached a little too far and now you pissed off a huge portion of the country by being too PC

 

No one is pushing for a business to provide goods they do not stock.

So was same sex marriage, and allowing gays to serve in the military, and letting women vote and allowing blacks to marry whites... Yawn

Yeh, everything is an attack on your religion - even though you have attacked just about every group known to man - this is what happens when a group that is used to complete power begins being treated equally - everything becomes an "attack".

 

THIS is the problem I have with it. Just seems so hypocritical now days to pick and chose what people want to be outraged over.

 

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Which lends to a good point, once these religious freedom to discriminate [interesting read] bills become law, will Muslims be able to deny service to Christians (they want y'all dead) or does the Christians rights prevail? How about someone that's religious beliefs involves segregation, do they get to say we don't serve your kind here?

If the ruling specifically targets homosexuals it will be struck down, if made broad enough to escape judicial scrutiny then we will return to the days of lunch counters in some areas of the country. What a wonderful place these people are envisioning!

 

We are not telling any business who they must serve. Only who not to discriminate against.
There is a difference. And one should know the difference.\
Especially if they want a business license that they agree to follow the law, when they apply for it. And if the law changes, change or face consequences. If it wasn't for blatant discrimination in the 1st place, the gov't would not have to involve itself.

 

This is not a religious stance either. The business is not a religion, if it is, then it is non profit and a different set of laws apply.
Not a difficult concept to grasp.
A kosher deli doesn't have to serve anything but kosher. And one may ask for something different but if the product isn't offered they can't sell it. But if it is offered and they say, you are christian, we won't sell it to you, well, now one may have something.
Did the B&B offer other ceremonies? Are they in the offering of marriage ceremonies?
Again, the B&B is a business, businesses don't have religious beliefs. A business isn't a human.

 

Consider this:

1. These individuals run the business... without them, the business does not run. Agree?

2. These individual own this business; not the government.... they set the policies. Agree?

Now re-read your post and recognize how your statement has no bearing on this case.
Because in essence what you are saying is that once you start a business the government owns it. To hell with your individual beliefs or preferences; you must relinquish control of your company or else pay the fine.

Gee, starting to sound a lot like communism when you put it that way doesn't it?

 

That wasn't the point and you know it. It's this kind of non sequitur grbage from the left that put Donald Trump in the White House.
I hope it makes you mad as hell.

Keep yawning. Keep lying.
We will keep winning.

The democrats have clung to power in one form or another since 1928. You can attempt to lie about it all you want.
You are still a member of a political philosophy that is self defeating.
Keep doing the gay thang, aborting any babies that may be conceived in your hetero relationships and doing drugs to beat the band.
I pray you do.
The demise of your philosophy will be a welcome relief.

 

Please show how christian people are treated any differently than anyone else.
What laws affect a christian person?

And leave a person who is a christian but owns a business out of it. A business doesn't have a religious belief.

 

Consider this. A business is a secular entity in the eyes of the law.
If a business wants special religious rights, they need to become a religious business. If such a thing exists.

 

One church does not a religion make.
The Christian religion did not en masse ban interracial couples, Indeed throughout it's history Christianity has reached out to others and been chastised for it's evangelism. Whether in Africa or Asia or the Americas, you on the left have tried for centuries to stop the spread of the religion of forgiveness.

Your Alinsky style obfuscation is not effective any more.

Don't forget the Muslims are more about killing gays than anything else.

 

I see it as unneeded government interference that is imposed to "fix" a perceived social ill. I would rather the market and society solve the ill through education and awareness, rather than using the boot of government. Forcing people to accept things, they disagree with, tends hardens resolve and increase prejudice.

 

The B&B is in the B&B business, The Marriage ceremony is a religious side that they offer as part of their religion.
Trying to make that a part of the argument is a non sequitur.

 

The Johnson amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_Amendment
It was instituted expressly to stop Christian involvement in elections.

 

For better or worse, a business is recognized as a separate legal entity from the owners and employees. That's what allows a company to go bankrupt without the owners having to also go bankrupt, or allows legal action against a business without the owners being prosecuted. So no, what I'm saying is that there are laws that apply to businesses but not individuals, and vice versa, and in this case it's the former that is relevant. I suppose that might sound like communism to someone who is exceptionally ignorant on the subjects of commerce, US law, and economic systems.

 

This is a powerful misunderstanding of the issue. A Kosher or Muslim eatery wouldn't serve a ham sandwich to anyone. The B&B in the OP won't host weddings for gay people. See the difference? One is discriminatory, the other is a matter of not offering a particular service or good. If the B&B didn't host weddings at all, then it wouldn't be in this mess.

 

an obvious trap.

Yeah the wording kind of gave that away. And its the government here who is discriminating against religion by fining members who don't accept a sexual preference. That had to be explained to you?

So what? That doesn't mean you can force a religion to serve someone against their own. Nothing in the Constitution validates that made up claim of yours.

So you once again admit religion is protected by specific wording and homosexuality isn't. Thanks for admitting it.

 

Well as I said I'm not a Christian so I can't speak to any of that.

But it seems to me that if they don't give these radical bigoted government thugs any ammo to be used against them then they can uphold their beliefs in secret - which is an assault on their religious freedoms in and of itself.

They shouldn't have to hide out of fear that some gestapo-esque arm of Leftist government is going to strip them of their rights, property, and freedom because they choose to practice a religion.

But until we can correct the damage done to the nation by the last eight years of radical hate driven lawless liberal government they will have to compromise and protect themselves.

 

I hope these business owners protect themselves because the reality is that they are a persecuted people - both for being Christian and for being business owners.