Spicer: Trump didn't mean wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretapping

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  1. Bluesguy

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    That's what he said and how he framed which is perfectly reasonable.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Sure you can. Everything about his organization is him same with his campaign when he says I was wiretapped that is figueratively his building, his staff, his campaign etc etc.
    Is it true? Well certainly we know information was gathered surropticiously by someone. He thinks it was someone in the Obama organization. It seemms he came to that opinion based on the reporting that has been going on for over a year. We need to find out if that is true and was it legal and if not then arrest those who were involved and prosecute them. Don't you think?
     
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    And what is he doing to prove it's true? Backtracking lol
     
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    Scroll back during the campaign back and you will find that is how I described him and yes he can still act as one.
     
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    He may have to just that and admit the reporting has not been accurate but then how do you explain their private comversations were capture and leaked?
     
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    Please post the information that was surreptitiously gathered. Or is that just another of your flights of fancy.
     
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    Intercepted on a foreign tap
     
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    And the loony lefties still can't come to terms with it? :roll: He's achieved more in 5 weeks than Obama achieved in 8 effing years!! I was surprised Obama made it into office the first time :shock: , but for them to elect him a second? [​IMG] It sure disproves the aphorism which ends ' . . . but you can't fool the people all of the time.'
     
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    Another alternative fact.
    maybe it's not really wiretapping for it's wireless. :aww:
     
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    Yes, and if he did he'd find that ranks will be closed, records will mysteriously 'go missing', and those who were directly involved will be intimidated into silence by the bullying W'ton establishment. DT knows this, and would sooner get on with his job than get bogged down in such an imbroglio of Washington immoral and self-serving subterfuge. As the saying goes ' You can't beat the system.'?
     
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    The justification is as follows:
    • The reference to "wire tap" was in inverted commas which meant it referred to a broader category of electronic surveillance techniques
    • The reference to "Obama" was a reference to the Obama administration,
    and therefore Trump's allegations are that the Obama administration conducted electronic surveillance on Trump Towers, which if we include the FBI as "administration" is probably true.

    This justification works for his first two tweets. However it was his final tweet that that remains problematic
    "How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"​
    In this, he specifically refers to phone taps, does not include inverted commas, and accuses the specific person of President Obama. Hence Spicer's clarification cannot be applied to this allegation.
     
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    Trump didn't mean "wiretapping" when he said wiretapping.
    Obama didn't mean "red line" when he said red line.

    Both misspoke and the concluding results were about the same. With Trump he embarrassed himself and with Obama hundreds (maybe thousands) of people died a horrible death. But since those people weren't Americans it's the same level of importance as Trump's embarrassment.

    Right?
     
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    the Trump Administration is not even trying to be honest with the people, SAD!
     
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    A toddler makes more sense than the WH team this days!!! Conway will pick a word from the question asked to make up her own rehearsed answer, Miller will show his rookie self on TV to tell the nation that the president is unquestionable, and then Spicer will stand on this holy pulpit to translate the gibberish version of whatever the president has said or tweet!!!! God help us all
     
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    Shouldn't that read 'Does he ever think?'.
     
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    What has he achieved again.
     
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    Syntax, the last refuge of losers.
     
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    I think you will find that it was Americans at the NSA spy station at RAF Menwith Hill who would have provided that intelligence, if they did at all.
    .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Menwith_Hill
     
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    We're still laughing at you, and wondering how the world's most powerful nation could have elected the world's most stupid man. Can't you hear us?
     
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    I almost feel sorry for that poor bastard who has to stand in front of the world media every day and repeat Trump's lies, obfuscations and economies of truth.
     
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    Lots of supposition in that post. If the President orders something, within his control, then he gets it. Those that don't comply find another job. Starting a war with the intelligence agencies was probably not the best idea Trump ever had, but it was one he chose. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
     
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    What else could he do? Kennedy also tried to sort out those rogue elements within the intelligence community. Either you try to root them out or accept to be their marionette. I'll give the credit to Trump for at least trying. Especially knowing what happened to Kennedy.
     
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    And I'd bet on every word. The fact that he had the nerve to challenge the intelligence agencies - and they're not used to being challenged, nor in their arrogant complacency do they appreciate it - may or may not have been 'a good idea', but it nevertheless needed to be done. And for his trouble, and as you say, he's now reaping the whirlwind. Hell hath no fury like stirring up those in power, especially when they're aware there are shortcomings in what they do and need to cover it up. And just as an addendum - security services, just like many other genres of experts, have been known to be wrong.
     
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    I'll consider there are rogue elements within the intelligence community. Will you consider the probability that they are just doing their job and Trump isn't happy with the fact that they are? Spicer is spinning like a top trying to say "wiretapping" means something other than "wiretapping." Trump is the President of the United States and the things he says publicly need to be carefully considered before he says them, tweets them, or writes them in some other fashion. He needs to say EXACTLY what he means, and not have his words interpreted to the rest of the world through his spin machine. Isn't that why many people voted for him… his "telling it like it is?" He's either saying what he means, or he isn't. If he says "wiretapping" then that's what he means. If he means something else, then he needs to say something else. Nixon didn't much care for the intelligence agencies either, but they were actually doing their job.
     
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    We see this situation very differently. I'll leave it at that.
     

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