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W Bush has great feelings for US troops in second Iraq war...a victims for United...

 

Wrong. Bush won Iraq, Obama lost it. He took a clear victory and a solid rebuilding effort and turned it into a defeat. He blew it in Syria, Iraq and his policy in Libya destabilized the region even further. Obama allowed massive amounts of weapons to fall into terrorist hands because he was uninterested and unqualified to lead foreign policy. Most of what Obama did on his foreign policy just made the world and the US weaker. Many countries that are allied with the US are happy to see Trump in the White House.

 

You need to learn foreign policy in the last 10 years because you have NO CLUE what you are talking about. It seems like you, much like Obama, are at a complete loss when it comes to discussing these matters.

 

What they did not get wrong - and the links show the actual textbooks and the wording in those textbooks that promote hate .. was that Saud teaches children to hate.

You may now run back to the playground to stick head deep in the sands of denial.

 

Whatever lies you have to tell yourself to sleep at night

 

What are you talking about. "Bush won" ??... what a bunch of nonsense. Bush created a Jihadist wonderland .. just like Obama did in Libya and Syria.

What exactly did Bush win ? A major rational for going into Iraq (in the context of this conversation) was the war on Terror. Prior to Bush taking out Saddam , Al Qaeda had very little presence in Iraq.

After Saddam was taken out Iraq became an Islamist Jihadist wonderland and a haven for Al Qaeda. How is this a "win" in the war on Terror.

What is more nonsensical is the claim - Bush reduced terror. Bush created the Islamist terrorism. Then he spent many years trying to fight against the sectarian violence that he had created .. and he did have some success.

This is like going into Libya now (after taking out Gadaffi and creating a Jihadist wonderland) and killing a few Jihadists and claiming look look we are winning the war against Islamist terrorism.

This is stupid.

 

Obama created the mess by pulling out the troops WAY too early. Iraq fell into a quagmire under Obama, not Bush. Bush never should have gone in, to begin with. But once in, it was to Obama to finish it and he failed miserably.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/07/the-mess-obama-left-behind-in-iraq-surge-debate/

 

Would you believe an American who lived in Syria since the 1950s?

 

Saudis love Americans and a book called Forever Friends was distributed to all Saudi students.

Bush has already signed the SOFA and installed the Iranian stooge Maliki.

 

You would learn a lot about Syria if you read this:

Understanding Syria: From Pre-Civil War to Post-Assad

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...yria-from-pre-civil-war-to-post-assad.428974/

 

Eh maybe. I dislike anecdote. I'm one that firmly believes policy and decisions should be made with the same rigorous scrutiny as the scientific and medical fields. I understand most data has to be retrospective and there are too many variables.

But if you tell me that Iraq regime change has not benefitted its people, FOURTEEN YEARS LATER it's still unstable. Libya is unquestionably worse off for its people. And so on. Why should it be accepted that this should continue regardless of the circumstances.

I've heard conflicting reports and I know for certain:

1. I've been lied to by officials and politicians before about regime changes
2. Our regime changes are accompanied by the deaths of thousands of innocents, i.e. "Collateral"

I can only come to the conclusion that the most humanitarian stance to take is one of non-intervention. Let the populaces choose their government.

At face value this may seem harsh considering the accusations, BUT the consequences of the implied interventions are the exact opposite of benign. They are to the detriment of the very people we claim to be helping. This is why I oppose these things at "face value." I simply don't know what to believe.

 

The US didn't invade Libya.Egypt or Syria and we didn't have any control over the situation.

This man has extensive experience in Syria since the 1950s

Understanding Syria: From Pre-Civil War to Post-Assad

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...yria-from-pre-civil-war-to-post-assad/281989/

 

Understanding Syria: From Pre-Civil War to Post-Assad

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...yria-from-pre-civil-war-to-post-assad/281989/


The US couldn't control events in Libya or Syria or Egypt.

 

I know about the surge .. and agree that his helped but, it was not some big "win" by any stretch of the imagination.

Creating a huge mess .. and then cleaning a small portion of that mess up and claiming "a win" on this basis is nonsense.

It was Bush who had agreed to the pull out which had already started prior to Obama coming into power. Iraq did not want us there any longer.

While ISIS - (think it was still a branch of Al Qaeda) at the time, had a bit of a resurgence after the pull out but, this was not what was responsible for the Rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS.

The rise of ISIS happened in Syria - not Iraq. The rise of ISIS happened because Obama/Clinton were arming and supporting them in Syria.

 

The leader of ISIS said that in 2004 Camp Bucca Prison in Iraq was like a finishing school for ISIS.

 

Sure they "love" Americans - so long as they are not Jewish Christian, Muslims not of the extremist Saudi Islamist variety, and anyone else who does not share their Strict Sharia totalitarian Jihadist ideology.

 

Jews often travel to KSA in sales positions. How did you become an expert on Saudi Arabia?

 

Yes .. the Saud royalty is part of the Establishment .. same club Israel belongs to. What does this have to do with the Saudi Education system to hate Jews ?

Playing the political game while holding beliefs that are contrary to what you put out in public ... is not exactly a new game.

 

Perhaps you can explain how Israel, a country of 5 MM jews, could withstand an onslaught of say, 25 MM arabs, or 1/16th their population?

 

Good arguing ability there; deflect, then blame it on the US.

 

cause the Jews had a larger army

 

Really? How did he do that, please enlighten us.

 

I agree obama was a train wreck and basically had no foreign policy, but that does not make him or the US culpable for bad people doing bad things.

Where he really failed was the red lines announcement, where he committed to doing something - and didn't follow through. That destroyed the US' credibility and led putie boy to double-down on his poodle assad.

 

Hilarious, the iranian fascist regime apologist trying to put the blame on the US while the iranian army, basiji and its terrorist proxies run rampant across syria, mass slaughtering.

 

not if she has admitted to being biased towards the saudi royal family