British Starting to Debate Gun Rights Again.

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  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    No they have not. as I said the EU and several European countries outrank us.

     
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    Bastiats libertarians Well-Known Member

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    its actually about 11,500 homicides a year.
     
  3. The Rhetoric of Life

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    There are armed police in the UK.
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    They look like this and are seen in places like the outside of The Houses of Parliament or the airport.

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    Armed police who aren't standing roll around in a red police car in London; If it's red and it's police, they're armed; I see this around the West End.
     
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    Enforcement is the key issue. Firearm-related restrictions in the united states are almost never enforced, especially against those who already have criminal records that would legally prohibit them from firearms ownership. Prosecutions are exceedingly rare, even in extreme cases where it is blatantly apparent that the accused should have never had access to a firearm to begin with. More often that not, all firearm-related charges are dropped before trial, and a plea bargain is issued in order to achieve a conviction at reduced charges, because it is simpler than investing the time and effort of a full trial.

    Even when convictions occur, probation is often the extent of the matter, and the responsible party is allowed to remain in society, where they have already demonstrated that they cannot, and will not, abide by the rules.
     
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    It wasn't "nearly over" in March of 1941 when the US began supplying materiel to the UK, nor was it "nearly over" in December 1941, unless it was "nearly over" for the Axis as victors. The Aussies of all of the Allies should be thanking the US for keeping the Japanese out of their country.

    That said, without the sacrifice of the USSR the European Theater may have ended up in a stalemate or worse.

    Ask any surviving members of the British Home Guard if they were happy with the support from the US.
     
  6. Sadanie

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    Another stupid remark!
    I am not British, therefore I am not a "subject!"
    And, I do not need to own a gun to feel free and happy and SAFE!

    I can read and comprehend statistics. . .apparently you don't!
     
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    Feeling safe is not the same thing as actually being safe.
     
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    So, you feel safe, a freind of mine lived in U.K. and felt safe too, my freind ran into a few blokes that did not like that person very much, and crippled that person permanently, how do you stay safe ?
    Either you live in a bunker, or you take measures to ensure your safety.

    Not everyone can have a Gun, that much is true, however, in my case, I can honestly say there were many times / situations, had I not a Gun, it is likely I would not be posting this comment now.
     
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  9. Rucker61

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    We have gun control that isn't enforced. What enforcement would reduce mass shootings?
     
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    Here is the UK murder history over the last 120 years:
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    The murder rate has not seen a dramatic drop in the UK from any of their gun laws. One would have to do a demographic analysis of all the murderers in every nation along with a religious survey of them.

    All nations that pretend to support human rights needs to guarantee the most basic human right of all, the right of a lawful citizen to protect himself and his family in their home and while out in their community. Modern handguns are the best, logical tools to give true equality and the best chance to protect a person with.

    I believe your are of the school of "survival of the fittest." You think an old frail or handicapped person in the UK should have no good way to protect themselves from being attacked. They should just take their beating and if they die, they die. On a more realistic scenario, if an average person is attacked by a Muslim fanatic or gang member with a large knife----a modern handgun will stop the attack better than any other small device. Gun laws have never been proven to reduce crime in the US or the UK.
     
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    You can call my viewpoint "stupid" all you want; it doesn't make it true.

    I can also read statistics; but then I remember Sam Clemens famous observations about "There are lies, then you have damned lies, and then you have statistics."

    If you do not take responsibility for your own safety and security, instead choosing to rely upon the protection - or lack thereof - of governmental authority, then you are a subject ruled by your government regardless of your nationality.
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    I believe that someone with a criminal or mental history should have allowed to own a gun. You should only own a gun after passing a gun safety course and a course that trains you how to use it effectively. I believe in strict background checks and registration of all guns and it should be illegal to sell a weapon to someone else without this process. I don't think it is appropriate for the public to own assault weapons that can cause mass damage, just like I don't see the reason they should own grenades or machine guns.
     
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    Uh, we kinda already had that figured out.
     
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    Actually we don't. Do your research. For some reason its far easier to get a gun than a car.
     
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    No we actually knew you were an anti-gunner rather quickly. You're not dealing with liberals here.
     
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    According to US law, felons and DV misdemeanors are already prohibited persons.

    Define "mental history".

    SCOTUS has already ruled otherwise.

    Registration is against the law, and would have low compliance and effectiveness. Even Canada gave up their recent registration efforts. Without registration, UBCs are worthless.

    If the definition is "causing mass damage", we can eliminate motor vehicles and gasoline as allowable items.[/quote][/quote]
     
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    One thing which has happened since the UK handgun ban over 20 years ago......no mass shooting where a handgun was used. That's a success rate of 100%.
    In fact in 20 years there has only been one mass shooting in the UK. How many have there been in the US?
     
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    Yep, armed members of the public could have stopped the London terrorists killing a few people, but those same gun laws allow killing by the thousands every year.

    The maths don't work so stupidity has to replace common sense in the pro gun arguments.
     
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    Don't let facts intrude into their perverse religion - not the love of god but the love of guns. This is their life.
     
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    Why yes....yes it is. Thanks
     
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    Evangelical gun lovers.....
     
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    Much like your name, you have lived up to it, the Devil is the Great Deceiver.

    I do not love Guns, or tools, or a Toilet, or a fire extinguisher, these things all have a use.

    The Anti Gun Clack uses many devices and Lies and hyperbole to promote their twisted Agenda.
     
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    Are you suggesting a ban? France has a ban on fully autoimatic weapons. How many mass shootings have they had recently?
     
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    Good point. You have to look at the big picture. Guns lead to more problems than they solve.
     
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    That is a Lie.
     

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