Trump's very disturbing rant

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    That's actually CNN's efforts to block the truth.
     
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    Of course, it was the night before. That is what I said.

    Are you saying the carnage in Charlottesville was caused by left wing extremists? Did you watch the video? Are you trying to waste my time by acting stupid?

    That's is a popular tactic by Trump fans. Either that or you really have no idea what happened.
     
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    Really? Here I thought it was Trump's fault.
     
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    Here is the da ting.. Trump always lies, exaggerates and fails to discern fact from fantasy. He has serious mental issues in this regard. When he said that he had been watching this thing closely, even more closely than his audience, we can be pretty sure he was lying or failing to perceive the facts in an objective manner as per his mental issues.

    He is clearly mentally unfit to be president, but it's taking a long time for a majority of people to figure that out.
     
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    Did you only watch one video. The police pushed the original protesters into the violent counter protesters. You don't actually think Spencer maced himself numerous times do you?
     
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    So Antifa is not an enemy? Are they not just as bad as the KKK if not at the moment worse?

    LOL America's enemy is the left liberals, left media and shadow government destroying this country and you want to blame a few thousand KKK members. How about we let this African girl school you on who the REAL enemy is:

    "I Don't Care About Charlottesville, the KKK, or White Supremacy"



    This is how most people actually feel and only some black people, sore losers and anti Trumpets still upset over the loss of the election are fixating on this. Black people never seemed to care about these statues when Obama was president. Don't give Antifa a free pass.
     
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    Yeah, it is all fake news. Important facts concerning what Trump did or said that is reported in the media is all fake news.

    Only 14% of Republicans believe the media. This is different from years past, particularly when Obama was President. The 14% is a reflection of Trump's candidacy and Presidency. Republicans don't like what they hear on the news.

    Can you blame them?
     
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    I blame people for failing to be objective and skeptical. Each of us is personally responsible for this as voters in a democratic system. We have a duty to be informed and reasonable, not partisan half-wits who only contribute to increasing extremism and needless internal division.
     
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    I watched a number of videos. The news cameras follow the action. The vast majority of the counter protesters were the townspeople defending their city, townspeople like Heather Heyer, who was murdered by a white supremacist, townspeople like the 16 who were injured by the murderer's car.

    A tiny percentage of the counter protesters were antifa and they clashed with the right wing extremists. That is where the action was. That is where the cameras and reporters went. They didn't waste valuable film on peaceful protesters. What is the news value in that? Boring.

    All this gave a very distorted view of the impact of the antifa.

    Trump lied when he said he gathered all the facts. First, he lied when he said there were some "very fine people" among the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. There weren't any. Most were heavily armed thugs as the video shows.

    Then he lied when he said the violence was cased by both sides. The townspeople were defending their city. Like you, he didn't get his facts straight. Like you, he was misled by the impact of the antifa.

    Trump's remarks on Tuesday were that of a bigoted, white supremacist, and his remarks are rejected by the Republican Party, Trump's business associates in his administration, and the five chiefs of staffs.

    If you or anyone else support his remarks, as you seem to be doing, that makes you a bigoted, white supremacist. I'm guessing you are proud of that label.
     
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    While I agree with most of your remarks, I will take issue with this statement. I believe the vast majority of Americans believe he is incompetent. This is reflected in the latest NBC News/Marist polls. The three states who put him in office are now embarrassed of him.

    "Nearly two-thirds of voters in those states say Trump has "embarrassed" them (64 percent in Michigan and Wisconsin, 63 percent in Pennsylvania, while just 25 percent say he has "made them proud," according to the report." http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/poll-key-states-mi/2017/08/20/id/808669/

    It's funny. I'm from the Midwest, and as I saw what those three states were doing on election night, I thought to myself, you guys are making a horrible mistake. Well, they know that now. Too late.

    His overall approval rating has dipped to 34%, according to Gallup.

    So it isn't Americans who are slow to react to Trump's incompetency. It is the Republican Congress, and unless Americans are given the opportunity to fire his ass in 2020, those are the only people who can anything about it.
     
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    Well, they are just as bad, at least. Both are thugs. There is one major difference between the KKK and antifa. The antifa did not invade the town of Charlottesville. Heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis and white supremacists did.

    The vast majority of the counter protesters were townspeople defending their home, not antifa. There was only a small number of antifa among the counter protesters, but, because they clashed with the right wing thugs, they drew the attention of the cameras and reporters, providing a misleading picture of their impact.

    I'm not. Are you a white supremacist? You certainly sound like one. They and their ilk caused the carnage in Charlottesville, but you want to blame antifa and the left.

    Interesting thing about this thread. Trump supporters are showing their true colors. Here is what one Trump fan had to say. Of course, I have known this for quite a while, but it was nice to hear the confession.

    Republican lawmakers are cowards and incompetent. Of course they are freaking out. We elected trump to counter those losers. The generals are doing just fine, except for those looking to land a comfortable politician gig in the near future. They are a bit panicked because trump is upsetting the status quo.

    Trump is doing exactly what we elected him to do. All of Washington should panic. The status quo is being destroyed.

    You sound an awful lot like my Trump friend.
     
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    Bravo, I couldn't agree more. 90 million eligible voters failed to vote for a Presidential candidate in 2016. Another 10 million threw their votes away on third party candidates. Trump received about 25% votes from the electorate and he lost the popular vote to Clinton by nearly three million. Contrary to what his supporters say, America did not vote for Trump.

    In view of the situation we find ourselves in today, those people who didn't vote, those people who threw their votes away -- they called it voting their conscience -- have got to be severely lamenting their decision. They made a horrible mistake.
     
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    If you think the blame should be entirely put on the KKK then you are only seeing what you want to see. I say put the blame on both the KKK and Antifa who were both responsible for the violence that day.
     
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    She is only wanting to see the violence on the right. She admits Antifa is violent but then says the KKK should take the entire blame.
    So one violent group gets a free pass while the other group does now. I don't remember hardly any KKK members at the Boston Rally yet Antifa was once again there inciting violence and when the protesters were forced to leave Antifa attacked the police. Why should they not share some of the blame of the recent violence?
     
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    Funny but even the NYT interviewed people defending the statues that were some of those fine people. You, like the left wing media, are trying to label anyone counter the the sudden hysterical left demands as racists.
     
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    Evidently some violence is righteous.
     
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    What is David Dukes policy on child molesting?

    If he is against sexually molesting childen does that mean you are for it?
     
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    Did you pay any attention to what I said? All you did was ignore the facts I presented and repeated yourself.

    Heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists invaded the town, and there were over a thousand of them. Antifa didn't invade the town. They helped defend the town, and they were small in number.

    Are you going to ignore that statement, too?

    You are a white supremacist, aren't you?
     
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    How did they help defend a town that has POLICE to protect it? Are you actually trying to convince me that the violence Antifa committed is ok because it was directed towards racist white people and innocent police officers? What about the Boston rally? Was those people KKK?

    Do you honestly believe half of the crap you post? The KKK are evil and I don't support them but since when does that make violence ok from the other side?
     
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    At the very least in his Monday presentation outlining his plans for Afghanistan, Trump sounded very Presidential. True, his speech was heavily choreographed, but most Presidential speeches are carefully scripted. That all changed on Tuesday.

    Time
    magazine reported, "President Donald Trump on Tuesday lambasted his critics in a 77-minute speech at a rally in Phoenix, as protesters gathered outside.He attacked Arizona's two Republican senators, though he didn't directly name either of them, and fired back at the widespread criticism of his remarks on the clashes in Charlottesville, Va. Trump also hinted that he plans to pardon former Sheriff Joe Arpaio and threatened to shut down the government over funding for a Mexican border wall."

    Trump traveled to Arizona to be with his adoring admirers and provide the madly cheering crowd with red meat. He refuses all attempts to broaden his support, appealing to the basest of instincts. Few others are impressed with his rants if for no other reason than he is scared to death of facing the White House press corps in a full blown White House press conference. There has not been a White House press conference since February. In front of his adoring admirers, he doesn't face any questions.

    Take for example his rant against the media. He used a very old, and very unreliable Trump tactic. He created a criticism for the "fake news" then mocked the criticism he created. In addressing the various comments he made about Charlottesville, he failed to tell them that on Saturday he blamed both sides. "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. On many sides." On Saturday, Trump failed to mention the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists.

    It was for that he was condemned by members of his own party. Trump failed to mention that, too. He was not condemned for his timing as he insisted to his wildly cheering fans.

    Trump told the audience he had condemned the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. He did, on Monday, three days after carnage in Charlottesville began.

    He failed to tell his audience that he took it all back the very next day and reverted back to his Saturday comments in which he blamed both sides. "The statement I made on Saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement." He later added, "I think there is blame on both sides. You had a group on one side that was bad. You had a group on the other side that was also very violent. Nobody wants to say that. I’ll say it right now."

    Following his Tuesday comments, Trump lost wholesale support of Republican lawmakers along with the business associates in his administration and all five members of the chiefs of staffs. He didn't tell his audience that, either.

    Trump has incurred the wrath of the Republican Party, his party. On Tuesday he did little to earn their favor or broaden his support. Instead, he attacked the two Republican Senators representing Arizona. It would appear that Trump is completely satisfied with the support of his dwindling base and is not motivated to increase that support.

    I don't think he is serious about running in 2020. I don't think he will make it to 2020.
     
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    "How did they help defend a town that has POLICE to protect it?" Do you have a reading comprehension problem or are you just acting stupid? I said there were a thousand or more heavily armed KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists. They invaded Friday night. A few antifa arrived the following day. That makes the KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists responsible for what happened. By far, the townspeople dominated the crowd of counter protesters defending their city, not antifa.

    If you can't understand that, you got a real problem.

    I have never excused the antifa for the violence they cause. The KKK, neo-Nazis, and white supremacists are right wing thugs. Antifa are left wing thugs.

    What about Boston? Nothing happened in Boston.

    Do you read? Or do you just make stuff up as you go along?
     
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    Another one with a serious reading problem,

    I wrote, "Trump's remarks on Tuesday were that of a bigoted, white supremacist, and his remarks are rejected by the Republican Party, Trump's business associates in his administration, and the five chiefs of staffs."

    Trump fans are really funny sometimes. They are severely misinformed and, seemingly, can't read.

    Well, they voted for Trump. That explains it.
     
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    You don't know this for sure. It's up to a judge to decide whether it was indeed murder. It could be manslaughter.
     
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    Who is "she?"
     

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