Trump's very disturbing rant

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Please look at this picture carefully. This is a group of white supremacists, members of KKK, and neo-Nazis marching on the campus of the U of V on Friday.

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    Now watch this video showing this heavily armed bunch marching down a street in Charlottesville the next day.

    https://twitter.com/_CraigStanley/status/896349016929206272

    On Saturday, Trump blamed all sides for the violence in Charlottesville despite the invasion of heavily armed protesters. By not naming the true enemy, the President received condemnation from every quarter. Pressured by Republican leadership, his own advisors, even members of his own family, three days later Trump finally relented and named America's enemy.

    "Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans," Trump said in a statement to reporters at the White House on Monday.

    Today, he undid all of that. He told reporters he really didn't mean what he said Monday. He meant what he said on Saturday. That all sides were to blame for the carnage in Charlottesville despite the fact that most of the counter protesters were like Heather Heyer who was killed by a white supremacist. They were the home folks. They lived in Charlottesville and they resented the armed invasion of bigoted intruders.. Trump blamed them anyway.

    At Trump Tower in Manhattan Trump angrily defended himself against criticism that he did not specifically condemn Nazi and white supremacist groups following the weekend’s deadly racial unrest in Virginia, and at one point questioned whether the movement to pull down statues of Confederate leaders would escalate to the desecration of George Washington.

    “Many of those people were there to protest the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee,” Mr. Trump said. “This week, it is Robert E. Lee and this week, Stonewall Jackson. Is it George Washington next? You have to ask yourself, where does it stop?” he said, noting that the first American President had owned slaves. Lee and Jackson fought for the Confederacy, a rebellion against our Constitution. This is Trump's idea of getting all the facts before commenting.

    "I think there's blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it," Trump said. "You had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent," he added. "No one wants to say that, but I’ll say it right now: You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent.”

    So, in Trump's view, the townspeople who were defending their city are as guilty as the heavily armed neo-Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists.

    David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan leader, praised Trump’s comments as a condemnation of “leftist terrorists.”

    “Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville,”

    Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican of Florida. “Back to relativism when dealing with KKK, Nazi sympathizers, white supremacists? Just no.”

    One by one, Republicans distanced themselves over the weekend from Trump's comments that blamed both sides for the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

    On Tuesday, they had to do it all over again.

    Senator Mark Warner of Virginia said it best. "No words," he tweeted.
     
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    Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan of Wisconsin called white supremacy "repulsive." "We must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity," he tweeted.

    Arizona Republican Sen. Jeff Flake released a statement Tuesday evening. "We cannot accept excuses for white supremacy and acts of domestic terrorism. We must condemn them. Period," the statement reads.

    Sen. Todd Young, an Indiana Republican, tweeted, "This is simple: we must condemn and marginalize white supremacist groups, not encourage and embolden them."

    Sen. Orrin Hatch, the longest currently serving Republican senator, wrote, "We should never hesitate to call out hate. Whenever and wherever we see it."

    GOP Rep. from Texas Will Hurd said that Trump should "apologize." "Racism, bigotry, anti-Semitism of any form is unacceptable and the leaders of the free world should be unambiguous about that," he said.

    Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican, said of the comments: "Just no."

    Florida senator and former Republican presidential candidate Marco Rubio sent out a flurry of six back-to-back tweets that said, "The organizers of events which inspired & led to #charlottesvilleterroristattack are 100% to blame for a number of reasons."

    Rubio went on to criticize Trump for assigning white supremacy groups only "50% of the blame." "We can not allow this old evil to be resurrected," he wrote to end the Twitter thread.

    All Trump has left is his misguided, misinformed, and mistaken dwindling fan base. His party is leaving him over a number of issues, not just his bigotry.

    Is Trump begging to be removed from power?
     
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    Glad to see that I don't have to be embarrassed by my vote for Rubio.
     
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    We now know what "Make America Great Again" is really all about - reverse decades of progress, bring back white, male, dominance to full power.
    I have always felt "the good ole days" meant before Blacks or women could vote.
    Today Trump passed Nixon as the worst president in my lifetime, and Nixon presided over US Troops killing unarmed college protesters and is responsible for everything now saying "Made in China".
    Nearly every day brings a new low in the reality show host's conduct.
    I think he was in a bad mood as he saw signs "New Yorkers hate you".
     
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    Considering Trump's current approval numbers, these rejects and dickless little turds are just about all he has left.
     
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    Today, trump announced that the US is no longer a democracy. He handed us over to fascists, nazis, alt right.

    As for what he said about "both sides" - he lied. I watched the footage from hours before the scheduled start time of noon and the alt right started attacking people very early.
     
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    If you 'felt' it, it must be trooo!

    Oddly, there are those (some of whom aren't even white .. ermergerd!) who don't 'feel' MAGA means anything like that. They think it means as it was in the late 20thC, when racial harmony was at its highest, and while there was not yet legal gay marriage, there was also very little anti-LGBT sentiment. Education standards were higher, too.
     
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    One of the pundits said as much earlier - and that he's afraid of losing them.

    Someone else said 'we do not have a president'.
     
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    None of whom, have a position in government. Nor did he ever justify them. He said that anyone who committed an act of violence should equally be punished under the law. I'm weeping for my country. We've lost all critical thinking skills.
     
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    You really think there's 31% of Americans are White Supremacists? I can't believe this country. Well, at the rate we're going Trump's impeachment is inevitable. So let me ask: Any respect for Pence? For the unknown 46th, 47th, etc president? Because let me describe, very simply what you've done to the Presidency: If anyone disagrees with the President, attack him/her on moral grounds. There's no reason to obey that which "is not my president".

    You've basically led us towards anarchy. Not fascism/dictatorships, no, we're edging close to anarchy and lack of respect for law.
     
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    Did anyone really not understand what " Make America Great Again" was implying. And no it's not just blacks. It's Mexicans, Muslims, Gays, Transgenders, the handicapped, and the poor.
     
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    It's like allowing children to decide how these things will play out.

    On one side you have fantasists who think Hugs and Compassion are all we need to survive ... just like in a Disney movie, and on the other you have little warriors shaking their angry little fists.

    The grown ups are .. were, once upon a time .. those who recognise that the best answer won't always be drawn from your own personal fantasy. Sometimes - quell horreur - the best and kindest answer comes in a shape we don't like. Maturity is learning that, and accepting it.
     
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    A very astute observation. This is a very dangerous precedent.
     
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    You mean like remembering how he promised to pay the legal fees of anyone who roughed up protestors at his rally.

    Or maybe how he encourage the cops not to be too gentle when arresting suspects.

    Are those the examples you mean?
     
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    Gosh. Only Trump has had to endure such questioning of his moral character.


    As long as you don't count Presidents Obama, Bush, Clinton (impeached, remember) Reagan ....
     
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    I mean the example of his statement on Saturday, which was a perfectly fine statement to make. It's not Trump's job to be a judge of moral authority, or to defend your moral authority. That is YOUR job. If you need Trump to defend your moral values, well, that perfectly describes why we're where we are, isn't it?

    The President very simply said: Everyone there who committed an act of violence was EQUALLY responsible. Not lesser, nor more. Equal. The blame is shared for all those who perpetuated violence. A very simple statement. The "reason" for violence, does not excuse the violence. Lest we want to regress as a country.

    And it appears, the worst Congress in the history of the US wants to drag us to anarchy, so they can remove Trump. I just want them to remember their responsibility for that.
     
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    Antifa is no better than the white supremacists. They are both hate groups on opposite ends of the spectrum. Trump said both sides were to blame and he is right. The media is blowing it out of proportion.
     
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    Trump is Nazi sympathizer for whatever reason and it might be because he himself is a Nazi and now relies upon other Nazis to support him. My NY federal tax dollars are going towards paying the salaries of his Nazi ****wad buddies in the The White House. Are you kidding me with your false equivalencies?

    Any Nazi is the White House is unacceptable and this is a ****ing first. This is repulsive and pornographic.
     
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    The peeing hookers are back?
     
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    Who is a Nazi in Trump's WH? No, not Bannon. As far as I know, his court case wasn't decided yet and it isn't proven about what he said with regards to the Jewish school. And Breitbart may not be the most reputable news source, but it's not necessarily exclusively far right wing either.

    I've heard roughly about this other guy, forgot his name though. So why don't you use him. Explain how he's an EVIL NAZI!
     
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    The ability to vote unobstructed is actually why we don't have a climate in which despots can take power. As long as that stands, we can be confident and secure in the knowledge that bad govt won't last more than a term. We don't need to do more than vote.

    Doing more is problematic for the very reasons you mention. At some point, given enough anarchy, the people become 'the despot'.
     
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    It is fair to attack a President on moral ground when it is clear that he is behaving immorally. The republicans after all did it to Clinton. Thst said bad morals are not grounds for impeachment whch should let Trump sleep a bit better.
     
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    histrionics are cute
     
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    I don't care who they are. I am against violence.

    Let the police do their job in protecting the locals. Coming in and antagonizing and fighting these people isn't 'protecting' the locals from kkk. It is putting people in danger.

    Trump said 'the same thing all three times. You just hear what you want. Peace
     
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    Precedent? Gods you people have short memories.
    Trump questioned Obama's legal right to the office for how many years with his birther crap?
    Clinton was practically impeached on questions of his moral standards.
    Bush's mental capacity was constantly questioned.
    Reagan had to fend off all sorts of crap with the Iran-Contra gig.

    But poor, little Trump is so picked on - nobody else has ever had ANY trouble sent their way as President - nobody EVER questioned their authority.
    Give me a break. The only thing Trump has had to endure is his own victimhood.
     
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