man involved in car crash charged with manslaughter after woman has miscarriage

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah? How do I want it?
     
  2. JakeStarkey

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    :)

    Tell us what you want
     
  3. JakeStarkey

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    The law and regulations are the Authority, to which Appeals are made.

    Man made opinions, such as yours, are Appeals to Authority that are unacceptable and fallacious.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I haven't given an opinion.

    Go ahead and show me where I did.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I thought you already knew?
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    NO woman has an obligation to gestate....and the physical and financial effects of pregnancy last a lifetime.
     
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    I feel that he has nothing to say but wants to keep saying it anyway.....he hasn't made a point yet.
     
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    Oh, don't be coy ....go ahead, make a point.......it's about time. :)
     
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    Obviously not according to the UVVA......

    And they brought charges in the OP so they must've agreed it had been born......have you had the guts to call them and have it explained to you yet ???

    I didn't think so :)
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Did the feds bring charges? I don't see that in the article. I see you're making assumptions.

    A 19 week old fetus cannot be born, it can only be miscarried.
     
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    And they brought charges in the OP so they must've agreed it had been born......have you had the guts to call them( The STATE attorney general, STATE attorney general, the one who brought the charges) and have it explained to you yet ???

    I didn't think so :)


    Now, I'm bored with your endless, POINTLESS merry-go-round.......believe what you want ( whatever that is) because the law rules and your opinion doesn't change a thing
     
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    Just curious....WHO told you women have an obligation to gestate ? Where di you get that asinine idea?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just meant you can look at it either way. It's as much of a reason for women having an obligation as it is a reason for women having rights over it.
    With great rights comes great responsibility, as they say.
     
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    What is a reason for women having an obligation to give birth?

    Having the right to abort has nothing to do with obligation....maybe you should reword your post but remember nothing you can say proves women have an obligation to give birth.
     
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    All "right to life" means is that the GOVT cannot unjustly take your life. Fetal homicide laws specifically exempt abortion performed at the request of the woman or her next of kin. Give it up, you've lost the debate.
     
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    By that type of logic, the government didn't take away people's rights during slavery, it simply allowed other private individuals to put them into slavery and hunt them down if they escaped. Legalizing something is the same thing as if the government itself is implementing it, because if anyone tries to stop with force one person from oppressing the rights of another, the government steps in.
    "her next of kin" ?

    What about the father?

    Maybe you should explain a little what you mean here, I'm not sure I understand. I thought pro-choicers believed only the woman gets to decide.

    Are we talking about a pregnant 13-year-old who is brought in by mommy to the clinic? What if the girl doesn't want to get an abortion, are you ok with forcing her?
     
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    Oh I see.

    It's a human being that's being killed, it's just legal in that case.
     
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    WHERE do you get the idea that Zeffy or any other Pro- CHOICER would want to FORCE someone to have an abortion !!!!?
    WHERE?...for once, for once show proof of your words, it would be a shock if you did...'


    You are so confused, it's Anti-Choicers like you who want to use FORCE on women...
     
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    No, again, it is not a human being (as in "person") until birth,............ it IS a human fetus that is being killed.
     
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    That's not what he said.

    If it wasn't a human being, you wouldn't need an exception to make abortion legal.
     
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    vman12 said:
    Oh I see.

    It's a human being that's being killed, it's just legal in that case."""""


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    FoxHastings said:
    No, again, it is not a human being (as in "person") until birth,............ it IS a human fetus that is being killed.



    I have no idea what your post here has to do with the two previous. You may have to reword that sentnence , it doesn't make sense.

    Where is there an "exception to make abortion legal" ....it is legal...
     
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    Manslaughter can only be charged if the victim is a human being.

    This man that caused the accident was charged with manslaughter of the unborn child.

    If anyone can be charged with manslaughter when they kill an unborn child, then it's a human being.

    That charge can only be applied in the death of a human being.
     
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    It means nothing of the sort.
     
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    Nope. Harm to the fetus is predicated ONLY on harm to the woman.
     
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    I asked the question """"""""""""""Where is there an "exception to make abortion legal" ???????....it is legal..."""""""""""""""


    Why couldn't you answer that?

    And your total confusion over nouns and adjective ? I have to give up on that...
     
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