Drugs,Good Bad And Ugly

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  1. Guess Who

    Guess Who Well-Known Member

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    We watched Laurence Welk, Ed Sullivan too. Everytime I see the Jerry Lee movie clip I smile and think of mama. She was a card liked music,guns and animals. She was a Calamity Jane wannabe I think. Very talented.

     
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    Yes, some people feel like that. Yet I liked the music, much of it, of the 70s too. I was a big Lynyrd Skynyrd fan, being from the south and all. And of course Van Halen. But I played guitar and loved quite a bit of the guitar work in the 70s. LS I liked because it was a 3 guitar band. But then again, we saw the rise of disco in that decade. lol Even the stones got in on that short disco era dance music. And the BeeGees came back and went disco. lol. But I was searching the radio for that old time rock and roll.
     
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    Hubby plays guitar his whole family plays music. They had a band in the 70s, his brothers came in 80 out of 500 in Battle Of The Bands. But his friends won it in the 90s in Jacksonville Fl.
    My friend and I took disco lessons some of the steps are from classic dance so I did ok. Saturday Night Fever got us all into Disco.
     
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    Be VERY careful with today's 'new and improved' marijuana. This isn't the same stuff we smoked back in the 70's. It will knock you flat on your ass and keep you there for a while. Above all, do not (NOT) operate any kind of transportation vehicle after you've smoked this stuff. Just don't!

    The stuff we smoked 'back in the day' was not as powerful, and it was mostly "sativa"-strain. Today, you can get mixtures, and the "indica"-strain is supposed to be very good for pain. Sativa is much livelier, lots of fun, gives you 'the munchies', and makes everything from food to sex more enjoyable. Or, at least that what some people here in Colorado think (it's totally legal here).

    I don't smoke anything anymore, but if I were going to smoke something, it would be hashish. Pure, elegant, and expensive. And I would not leave the room I smoked it in until I was totally 'cleared-out'....
     
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    I like your signature.
    Although not a real fan of Ayn Rands philosophy I do really like this quote from her below.

    " you can ignore reality but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality".

    I think some drugs are safer than others and in todays world with all the stress it is almost normal to want to cop out of it ,be it drugs or a entertainment. Yet at the same time I also think the main reason fro society today could be yesterdays copping out too much. Or just maybe natural process.
     
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    I don't take anything with opioids... or any type of pain meds. They are highly addictive.
     
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    I smoked some really powerful sativa back in the 60s and up to the mid 70s, when I quit due to having a new family. I keep hearing how powerful the current weed is, but then I heard this for years after I laid down the bong, and how dangerous this new weed was. Indica knocks me out, makes me go to sleep, and even makes me a bit dizzy. And it is powerful in doing this. So, I use it at bedtime, a couple hits on the vape. But with Sativa, the bud and the oil and wax I find it to be no more powerful than the really good stuff I smoked in the 70s. We had one toke pot back then, but also a lot of low quality weed which would just give one a mild buzz. In fact, I ran across some weed in the 70s, and could only get 7 grams. It was goldish and reddish, and had a really spicy smell to it. And to date, it is the most powerful and best bud I ever smoked. I was on a camping trip with some friends, and I had to pull over on the side of a country road, as I was literally hallucinating. And could not drive, without fear of losing it. That 7 grams last 4 of us the entire weekend, and the buzz lasted for hours. It was sativa.

    Yet with this new and powerful indica, you best find yourself a place to stay put, and not drive. I don't understand why anyone would want to get stoned on indica during the day when you wanted to do things, activities and enjoy the added pleasure of a buzz. Yet it is the extract of indica, Phoenix Tears that has been shown to cure cancer, but it has to be eaten and not vaped. I tried an edible recently, and don't care for this way of using pot. It is processed differently by the body and the buzz from it did not appeal to me. A totally different buzz, at least it is for me. BTW, the oil I vaped recently, sativa based, had a slight taste of hashish.
     
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    I found nothing addictive about them.....

    some people are addicted to sniffing paint, some people just have addictive personalities

    just like some should not eat nuts, some should not take some addictive substances
     
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    with it legal you know what your buying, they sell different types based on what your looking for
    with it being illegal it's hit or miss
    kinda like moonshine in the past
     
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    LOL It is a proven fact that opoids create a physical addiction. And one of the hardest drugs to kick, because the body demands it. You ever see anyone come off of opoids? They get physically ill. I was told that it feels like you have the flu, cold one minute, sweating the next. You stay on the toilet. Your nose runs. And you get sicker than hell. And you would sell you soul for a fix.

    You could be a very rare exception though. Something different about receptors.
     
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    for some people, other not... just like Alcohol, to me there was no addiction, did not even see why people would be addicted

    now I did stop taking early as no pain, and realized my mistake and started taking again, so I guess if you had chronic pain, they might be addicting to people that want to end that pain, I mean, no pain vs pain.. is that really an addiction though
     
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    I think you have to be on them awhile, and perhaps even increase your dose due to building up a tolerance. I think if a person was on them for a year, taking them daily, there would be a physical addiction. I think it is just the nature of this particular drug. I was given a script of percosets, or rather percodan back in the 70s, after multiple injuries from a car crash. But I only used them when the pain got bad, as they made me sick at the stomach. I had no problem stopping them, but I only took them when needed for less than a month. No withdrawal. But I know a personal friend who got addicted, and he had a hard time coming off them. He stayed literally sick for weeks, and he told me that if the doc had not taken him off them, he would have continued to take them. For the withdrawal sickness was just too great.

    But for people in chronic pain, they are a godsend. Congress would less reactive if they had to depend upon an opiate in order not to suffer as some people do from pain. Imagine something like a toothache that you were forced to live with because congress went crazy and made it almost impossible for real sufferers to treat their pain. To me this is like cutting off the head of your horse in order to cure his headache. But when some people abuse these pain pills, it is such stupidity to make it so hard for the people who actually need them, to get them. This attitude of not wanting addicts, so you try to get rid of what addicts them, while others need the pain relief to have some quality of life is so uncaring and stupid. And yet some of these politicians are Ivy League educated. lol Obviously real intelligence has nothing to do with schooling. College educated idiots.
     
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    If you legalize and tax it,
    Have it produced by Pharmacos so it is a consistent quality and dosage like any standard medications, take it and the profit motive out of the hands of illegal street dealers.

    One caveat, if a person uses unneeded recreational drugs, they are then illegible for publicly funded healthcare, and everyone on publicly funded healthcare agrees to stay off these drugs or lose healthcare as bad health resulting from Cocaine or Crack or Heroin or Methamphetamine use, should not be at the expense of the General Public.
     
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    There is a vast gulph between "DRUGS" and the medications prescribed to treat illnesses and diseases under a Physician's control.

    This differs from the abuse of otherwise legally obtained prescribed medications, or illegally obtained medications and that difference needs to be highlighted.
     
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    In Texas, we used to smoke 'Acapulco Gold', and a lot of comparatively weak stuff that had seeds and stems in it. Just fairly cheap Mexican stuff. Occasionally, we'd get 'Panama Red', and very rarely we'd get some of the hash that guys coming back from S.E. Asia would smuggle back.

    Sounds like you know your grass better than me. I really was only a fairly heavy smoker for about two years, then I went back to college and never really smoked the stuff again. BTW, you are totally right about the new 'indica' strain -- I can easily see how people with intense pain desire to smoke it because it really obliterates your physical senses. I smoked some "Space Dawg" here in Colorado, where it's legal about a year ago, just to see what it was like. This stuff was about 70% indica and 30% sativa... and three fairly good tokes on a pipe put me on my ass so that I couldn't really even stand up reliably for over 20 minutes. Cheers!
     
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    Be grateful that you've never been in any REAL pain like most G.I.s & Veterans who have.
     
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    Your so right Grau. Thats why I said it is a catch 22 but far as vets go I honor all of them although I don't like the ones who send them to war. I have seen what happens to them since late 1960s. Nobody insults or hurts any vet in front of me without my attacking them back. I have family full of vets.some from VNam who still deal with problems and take drugs to eaze them.
     
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    I thought the thread did that?
     
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    Seems to me that music, good fiction, movies, sports, TV shows, all started to go downhill after 1970s. Then, after the year 1980, I could no longer recite the names of tv shows, the names of the performers who made songs, the names of movies, and I have read few novels written after that year. This is not to say that there is no merit or quality in these creations. Only that my appreciation for them isn't as great because IMO they are not as much fun or as creative as those meritorious works of the past.

    But then, the Impressionists were considered trashy in their day. Today they are considered classicists. Most likely this is how Rap singers (and other creators of this era) will be viewed eventually as well.
     
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    I totally disagree about the rap and most of the other stuff the ycall music today.
     
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    Well, for me, I will never appreciate most of the music today, especially rap, no matter how long that I live or how hindsight sometimes improves perception.

    Yeah in general music especially started to go downhill in the 70s but with a few bright spots. Van Halen came on the scene when pop and disco hogged up airtime, and to me they were a breath of fresh air. By the time the hair bands arrived in the 80s, I was listening to old albums of the greats from the 60s and a few diamonds from the 70s.

    The musical culture today is in sad shape IMO. The literary culture probably is too. Funny that as you age, and get old you lose contact with what popular culture has to offer. Although, surely if it were notable and creative, it would not be so easy to lose contact with it. Yet so little of it catches my ears or eyes. I think my tastes have been ruined by what was in the past.
     
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    What a cowardly post. Figures
     
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    Pain meds have addicting chemicals in them. Opioids are chemically addictive.
     
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    What's cowardly about suggesting you should be grateful because you've never required strong pain meds?
    For some G.I.s & Vets it's the only thing that works & makes life bearable.
    Count your blessings.
     
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    People get addicted to all sorts of things that are legal.
     

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