Is Fascism Right or Left?

I think you've got the perspective that the democrats get a lot more done than they actually do. They're not evil geniuses, the party is run by morons.

 

I think the most fascist thing about Dems is how they want to turn this country into the third world. That's one of the biggest signs of fascism when your leaders hate you so much that they want to replace you with low Iq third worlders

 

Progressive 'merika' have taken the decided direction to insist on importing more problems for them to manage, and ultimately to use as the lever they use to undermine the real protections and rights of our nation. This is the erosion, the destruction of our nation by those who believe more in their own power than the natural rights of those around them. Ms Clinton is a great example of this inbred entitlement demonstrated so aptly by her and her minions. The determined unlawfulness, the willful abuse of the law, other's rights, etc mark her and her supporters as the totalitarian authoritarians they really are.

 

Jonah Goldberg, that is certainly a fine Irish name.

 

it's left wing ideology hence national SOCIALISTS

 

You know the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink". Well, I just gave you the information including who the original fascist philosopher was, and where the term fascist comes from. You have it completely wrong. So instead of watching the videos, like so many others, you ignore the information and repeat the uniformed ignorant view that you have held all your life.

 

The Nazi roots of the Democrat Party. The right wouldn't be what it is without our comedians.

 

I thought I summarized the video but I guess I could have put a longer summary. I added the Wikipedia reference as support for my argument. If someone wanted to investigate further, that link would verify what D'Souza says regarding the origin of fascism, as well as the connection to socialist philosophy of the times.

In your original post, you said, "I defy anyone to read it and make a reasonable case for retaining the use of the term "fascism" in any political discourse, casual or otherwise, to describe left, right or upside-down. The term is vague to the point of uselessness." Do you still think it is vague or does it not demonstrate that it is a socialist political philosophy?

Giovanni Gentile was influenced by Marx. From the Wikipedia article I posted in the OP:

 

it is our corporate leaders who desire to replace us as employees, our bipartisans in washington give them what they want.

the fascist attitude toward citizens is that they are a special, exceptional "master race" of uber humans. i don't think i hear that from the dems.

 

I always get a kick out of progressives who deny that they are socialists and fascists. Because they are. They just seem super unwilling to admit it. Call it political denial....

 

Well they certainly want to import the 3rd world cheap laborers.

 

They're evil morons, and they've completely shut out a lot of their former base from any representation in one of the two major American political parties, and have effectively destroyed our education system, along with destroying our 4th estate to the point of imbecility.

 

Democrats are the real nazis

 

I'm glad you appreciate my contribution, but don't adulate me ...

I have added to the discussion the Italian perspective. As for I know, the historical Fascism is the Italian one and if I think to how it was born [in reality, not at philosophical level] and how it developed here ...

 

(some but not all) Republicans are the real nazis

corrected for you

 

and who brought in all those illegals and tried to get blanket amnesty for them?

Reagan and Bush, Jr


which party do they belong to?


you provide the answer _______________________________________

 

This thread is not intended to just throw poop at each other, but an actual discussion of the history of fascism and it's origins. Saying republicans are fascist is just ignorant of the discussion we are having and shows no knowledge of the actual history, policies or philosophies of fascism.

 

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1172783-political-compass
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Yes, Marx influenced the world. Some people followed him and ended up in disaster with millions of their people dead (killed by their Marxist govt). Other people recognized the disaster that is communism and went in the other direction.

Read the writings of the early fascists and the people that influenced Hitler and led to the creation of the National Socialist German Workers Party. They read Marx and other communist/socialist writers. Fascism is literally socialism with a nationalist flavor. Where communism has no borders, fascism is communism with a border. But both want to dominate the world and have total control of the people and wealth, they just go about it in slightly different ways.

Yes, but you miss the underlying issue. Its not govt, its power. Power is dangerous, too much power concentrated in one entity is bad. The founders of the USA wrote extensively on this issue, that's why they created a govt with very limited power and extensive checks and balances (most of which have been destroyed over the past 220 years).

A giant monopoly corporation, an extremely wealthy and controlling church, a national govt, can all be bad and dangerous.

Western philosophy is not based on "the govt is good", its based on the principle of the individual as being supreme while recognizing that a very limitd govt is necessary.

Read Frederic Bastiat (French, 1801-1850, developed the "broken window" concept, and the concept of opportunity cost) for a very good and short explanation of the role of govt - http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

If the govt is in control, then it is bad. Remember, concentration of power is the problem. People in govt believe they can run your life better than you, and they want power to implement their ideas (and they want wealth).

That's a non sequitor. An appeal to emotion is a poor argument.

A govt handout is not the answer. That's contrary to the principles Western civilization is based upon.

Profit sharing is the idea that the workers share in the profit of the company, workers get a larger share of the result of their labor. Employee committees place the employees in the management chain of the company, they have a say in the running of the company. Combined, they make the employees owners of the company - in other words, the employees then control the local means of production. Sound familiar?

 

I will concede that both parties are guilty of creating the problem and not doing enough to resolve it. As it is currently, the democrats who were for border control and against illegal immigration are now for open borders and unlimited immigration.

 

I agree with that poster's points, and am again surprised that you are playing "watch the videos" like lots of LW here do instead of discussing a topic. Those videos are casual debunks of common misuse of a term, not any kind of theoretical discussion.

As far as the reply to me, I think if you sat down with D'Souza, you would find his reference to Gentile, Marxist influence, etc., as I posted before, is not towards the purpose of legitimizing "fascism" as a useful term in political theory over terms like "authoritarian," "totalitarian," and "dictatorship," but rather delegitimizing the existing way in which the LW constantly misuses it against their political opposition. So, it's possible to see it both ways, the term should be scrapped, but when it is used, it is used incorrectly if applied to governing forms or ideologies where the individual retains much sovereignty. Maybe we can agree on some of that.

 

Democrat want us to be Mexico so that makes them Nazis

 

All that I need to know, is that oligarchy is a form of fascism. And that we are an oligarchy, for only the forms of our lost republic remains. Then next, I experienced both parties being involved to give us this oligarchy. So, these days, being left or right is meaningless when it comes to fascism. For both have worked hard to give us oligarchy.

Of course, liberalism and progressivism really does not exist today, on the dem side. For neither liberals nor progressives would have sold out to the globalist MNCs or the banking cabal. And since the dems did, beginning with clinton, liberalism and progressivism simply does not exist today. An abberation, a corrruption is what exists. While many of the democrat voters, are nothing more than faux liberals and post modernists. While not knowing that his is what they are.

 

it was your fellow Republicans Reagan and Bush, Jr who allowed those illegals across the border and then tried to grant them blanket amnesty


Republicans, not Democrats - please get your facts straight

 

name those Democrats who are for open borders and unlimited immigration

 

The Boomer right have got to be the most hilarious people when it comes to trying to make arguments. Theyre really a parody of themselves