USA should prepare for the hypothesis of a civil war in western Europe

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  1. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is the real danger Western Europe faces, terrified fools quite happy to give up their democratic freedoms, just to keep themselves safe in their cowardly little world. They do not understand that democracy has to be fought for, that our values have cost blood and will continue to do so.
     
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    Now and forever! Hear, hear!
     
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    But is current democracy what people fought for?
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, it has been slowly eroded, right to silence, trade union rights, etc etc. BUT it is still worth preserving and the point stands IMO.
     
  5. VotreAltesse

    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Most islamic majority countries have a part of shariah law. In Egypt, you can only be muslim, jew or christian. In Morroco, theorically, you can be executed for leaving Islam, in Algeria, you can go in prison for trying to convert muslims to anything else than islam.

    The comparison stop there between migrants of the 50's and muslims. We had spanish, polish, and a lot of other people, they were integrated at the first generation. Even vietnamese and chinese migrants tend to be integrated quickly.

    We're at the 3 to 5th generation of muslim "migrants" and what we got : districts of cities where firemen, policemen and ambulances can't even enter and terrorist attacks.
     
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    What we get is right-wing lies. The very small number of Muslims in most European countries are fitting in well, but sometimes young men cut off from their communities and traditions are manipulated by extremists. It is like the Irish here at the time of the Troubles.
     
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  7. VotreAltesse

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    All sources are in french :
    https://www.nouvelobs.com/societe/20101113.OBS2831/grenoble-un-pompier-blesse-par-balle.html
    http://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/...-avoir-sauve-des-enfants-dun-incendie-3534968
    http://www.lalsace.fr/actualite/2015/06/24/une-ambulance-attaquee-et-brulee-par-des-hommes-armes
    "Le nouvel obs" is considered a left wing newspapers, Europe 1, center.

    Prison guard stop working because they're tired of islamist attacks : http://www.lemonde.fr/police-justic...nent-le-blocage-vendredi_5243761_1653578.html

    Switzerland : Muslims are 53 % of the prison inhabitants, 4,3 % of the toal population.
     
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    Look up French history. To enforce Parisian values on everyone else has been the great aim since the Revolution, and it doesn't make minorities happy, ever, particularly after what was done during the Algerian War.
     
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    No, it's the reason they don't fight.

    They fight when political change is not possible through peaceful means.
    So when democracy breaks down and votes are being ignored, they regime change through war.

    Example. Ukraine.
     
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    FFS! The Irish wanted to change their own society, not ours?? JESUS! :wall:

    And he even gets a Like for it!! :roflol:
     
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    You are quite prepared to change our society if it ensures you are safe!
     
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    Blowing up pubs in Birmingham to enforce Republican rule on a Unionist majority in the Six Counties does sort of involve people here, you know.
     
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    IRA is a different problem than djihadism. IRA concern only Ireland. Djihadism concern every places muslims colonize.
     
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    You mean the American putsch that overthrew the legal government? Hardly an example of peaceful democracy surely? What about the interference with democracy in Catalonia?
     
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    The English colonised Ireland, the Americans colonise the Middle East now. What's the difference?
     
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    The muslims who come in France, Belgium, Germany and UK are not colonized, they're colonizing. They're not fighting for indenpendance, but they're fighting to offer blood to their blood god.
     
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    Bullshit. As you know, Algeria was made part of France and there are few Muslim countries the UK hasn't meddled with. The American attempts to colonise the Middle East have produced most of the refugees from Syria etc,. many of whom would go home if your chums stopped their murderous terrorist thugs, as you know.
     
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    And so what ? We should accept that muslims sacrifice children for their blood god because grand daddy was mean with them ? They came to France, they had to accept french laws and set appart their griefs, they could have stayed in their sandholes. They're not happy of the Evian peace treaty ? We can start a new war and we're the one with nukes.
    They don't want to go home, and otherwise there is plenty muslims countries at peace, they come as invading force.
     
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    You are very extremely weird, aren't you? Have you ever met any real Muslims, rather than these drug-induced fantasies of yours? Give them reparations for all 'the West' has stolen and they can all go 'home' and live in comfort, as you know. It is horrible to see what all this senseless hatred is doing to your head.
     
  20. VotreAltesse

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    I know some of them yes. What reparations ? They are the biggest consummers of socialcare of France. And why should give them reparations and not to vietnamese, benin people ?
    You use the logic of submission, some people understand only agressive stand, and agressiveness is the sign of wanting to stay alive.
     
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    No idea about any American Putsch. Feel free to elaborate.
    Catalonia looks like they just tried an overthrow and failed. It is my assessment that a minority attempted to pervert democracy and the government attempted to suppress it and that the probable slim majority haven't had their voice heard democratically.
    Both countries seem peaceful to me.

    But as the example of Ukraine shows, peaceful disputes can turn sour quickly.

    IRA didn't confine their disputes to Ireland.
    Muslim violence doesn't affect me. Not my fight.
     
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    France is Islamophobic, therefore, France is racist, therefore, can't hack it/cope.
     
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    The EU is a loss.
    Look at Greece and Brexit.
     
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    I was obviously referring to their aim, not about how they went about it? For example, Wahhabist Islam's aim is to return humankind back to the 7th century, totally destroy western culture in all its forms (some of which I actually support), and install Sharia law worldwide, and are trying to achieve it all - and very soon will - by urban terrorism. See the similarity?
     
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    Votre is a crippled Frenchman on a Holy Crusade against Islam.
    It's pathetic to be honest. His anti Islam threads are funny since he goes on and on - that's funny to me.
     
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