Progress is inevitable.

It depends what you mean by "progress". As some new freedoms are given, other types of freedoms are taken away.

I propose creating the best of both worlds and trying to go back 100 years ago and see what type of good things they had then that we don't have now.

Then there's the issue that for some types of freedoms there seems to be a trade-off. If we want to solve problems, we either have to take away this freedom or the other. Taking away one freedom so that we can have another isn't really progress.

One example might be movement of people across borders leading to crime and poverty, and then laws needing to be passed to try to deal with that.

 

He mentions liberal views I believe my views are liberal I am a millennial, but their liberal in the classical sense.

 

I think you'll be waiting an awfully long time.

 

Once again let me reiterate that it takes intelligence to understand that IQ tests are not a measure of intelligence.

 

Because 'progress' is collectivism and you're standing in its way.

But so am I.

And I have a lot of guns

 

I have an Asian wife and two black kids. I am conservative.

Your gross generalizations and attempt at putting progressivism on as pedestal is laughable.

 

the Romanovs could?

 

Please provide CREDIBLE substantiation for that nonsensical allegation.

 

Lolz at progress.

 

The problem is that the Left does not favor progress. It favors regression. It has no favoritism towards science, hence it's rather radical stance on abortion (not saying all abortion is bad, but the degree to which the Left favors it is rather unscientific) to their paranoid views about global warming (which increasingly looks more and more like a form of atheist religion), to their ignorance of facts when it comes to guns.

It has no interest in inclusion or free speech. It's interests are in shutting down any forms of dissent and views it doesn't like, trying to bully anyone who disagrees, and rejecting any and all said people for thought crimes.

 

You remind me of one of those types who back in the 1950s would have said that "Socialism is the way of the future, and society will inexorably march toward its acceptance..." Or maybe even one of the people during the 1930s who would have said that, due to the science of eugenics, progress, and the survival of the human race, entails the elimination of the "unfit" from society. Sure we have had a lot of legitimate progress during the prior century, but we also had a lot of regressive action that had to be reversed, such as the massive welfare state and the belief that you could fix poverty with welfare spending (the opposite happened and poverty and crime skyrocketed).

If you are the smart progressive you claim to be, you also would realize that using "conservative" as a catch-all term to describe people across the centuries is ridiculous. "Conservative" can have many different meanings. By modern standards, it was "conservatives" and "libertarians" who were the ones that promoted the colonies achieving independent nationhood. Neither "conservatives" nor "liberals" by modern standards alone were for equal rights for women and ending slavery, but rather sub-groups from both sides.

What we think of as "liberal" and "conservative" today in modern America are rather recent political innovations in the nation's history. Go back to the 1930s, and conservatives were very much against eugenics and foreign wars, seeing both as methods to governmental tyranny. It was the so-called "Progressives" who favored warmongering and eugenics and who supported the creation of laws to require people deemed "unfit" to reproduce to be sterilized by the government. California performed more forced sterilizations than any other state. The Nazis picked up on eugenics, being enthralled by it, as it provided a "scientific" basis for their beliefs. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a noted eugenicist.

"Conservatives" today tend to be very progressive regarding economics, but IMO oftentimes regressive on certain social issues, such as same-sex marriage. "Liberals" or "progressive" today however tend to be rather regressive on economic issues, favoring policies that have long been discredited, and historically more progressive on certain social issues, but as of late have become very statist overall, not just in terms of economic policy, but in terms of free speech and inclusion. They are only inclusive to those groups they like. To any group they don't like however, FORGET IT. You are not welcome among them.

Muslim? You are fully welcomed and accorded full respect.

Christian? You will be mocked for belief in such an absurd religion and belief system, and everything from statues of Christ covered in dung to plays mocking Jesus will be performed

Believe in gun control? You are humane and are siding with the Forces of Good

Member of the NRA? You are evil and will be shunned.

Believe global warming is a major threat? You are a person of science and reason.

Believe global warming is at way overblown and at worst total paranoia resembling a religion? You are stupid, illogical, unscientific, and evil.

Fine with illegal aliens? You are a warm-hearted welcoming person.

Want to cut funding to sanctuary cities and build a border wall? You are a racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, evil person

Believe in multiculturalism of any and all kinds? You are a sophisticated individual

Skeptical of or even outright reject certain ideas of multiculturalism? You are a racist xenophobe.

I could go on, but today's "progressives" are anything but inclusive.

 

That is not the natural order. The natural order is for humanity to progress to tyranny and oppression, and we see it today with the so-called "Progressives," who want to ban anything "offensive" and silence any opposition. Liberal democracy is fragile and is something humanity virtually never marches toward.

 

The far right has no interest in inclusion or free speech and is active in shutting down any forms of dissent and views it doesn't like. It will bully those who whom it disagrees, and accuse their enemies of PC and thought crimes, whatever those terms mean.

Those who extol conservatism or liberalism are "all good or bad" have added nothing of worth to the conversation.

 

It's always humanity's innate nature to oppress others. That we see on left and right.

 

pretty much bullshit.

In Europe the far right is the young generation.

I dont know about USA, but here the older generation is the liberal idiots and the young rebel against it

The far right in Germany









And we vote young far right politicians into power. In Germany Alice Weidel, who leads the far right AfD


Or in austria the new chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who closed the Balkan, crushed the migrants down.



Or the italian lega Nord. a far right party that wants deport 600.000 africans out of italy. The party that blocked the mediterranean

All over Europe social democrats die and fall out of parliaments.

Europe changes drastical and i´m happy about that. Here the far right is youth while globalism, multiculti bullshit is represented by old mummies like this



The youth always rebels against the old. And in Europe teh youth is right.

 

Yes, there are far right parties in Germany, Italy, France, UK, etc., and they remain in the small minority.

 

I am not saying the far right doesn't have similar problems, but the main issue in our society is with the far Left, as they run the college campuses, the large corporations, the major media, and so forth. They have far more control over society than the far Right.

 

Small minority? In italy they Just won election and form government. In east germany they are majority in all of Germany 2nd strongest Party. In france too 2nd strongest Party. In austria government. In what Planet do you live? Europes Shift to the far right is is what all lefties cry about.

 

Good post.
The repubs have largely been reduced to uneducated white people, but they are still a lot of them.
I can understand why reactionaries are afraid of change, but as you said, it's unavoidable, and it's really the only way forward in life.
They are on the wrong side of history in their attempts to hold back change.

 

There is no such thing as the "wrong side of history." History is history, and the arrogant claims of "progress" by many throughout history have led to some horrendous disasters. It was the progress of science that gave us the mass-murdering socialist and fascist regimes of the 20th century, based on the idea of "scientifically" planning society. Change is not always good, and especially not if it means upending long-standing pillars for society that are essential for real progress.

In terms of change for the betterment of humankind, that is great, except that it can very debatable whether certain forms of change are actually going to better humankind.

 

Oh, the IRONY!

 

You state the obvious. Of course change always brings some unintended consequences and some new problems. That's life.
We learn from our mistakes and struggle to improve.
But nothing of value is achieved by going backward or standing still.

 

For all the attempts by Trumpettes to deny what they are I'm glad some feel more comfortable admitting it.

 

That's why the GOP has the WH, Congress, SCOTUS, and a solid majority in governorships and state leges.

 

The one that says there is no one dominant alt right party. There are combinations, yes, but certainly not even in the majority then.