17-year-old Antwon Rose was fleeing and unarmed when police in East Pittsburgh shot him

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  1. Heartburn

    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    No. They are not REQUIRED to put their lives in danger before they shoot. If they are at the guns out, "put your hands up and get on the ground" stage sudden movements can and should get the perp shot. No need to lose another cop to some ***** that thinks he has a constitutional right to shoot first. He don't.
     
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    superbadbrutha Banned

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    That is the same weak right wing, propaganda we always here when a cop kills an unarmed black person. "Black on black crime" blah, blah, blah. These are black criminals killing folks that the police are suppose to be stopping, the police are suppose to uphold the law not break it. The two are totally different.
     
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    Who in the **** accepts having their loved ones die as normal.

    I guess that is the dumbass propaganda that is being spread in racist, right wing land.
     
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    So you place the lives of police, who volunteer to deal with these situations and in fact get paid to do it, over the lives of the people they are sworn to protect.

    You’re just complete ass backwards wrong. First, they are required to put their lives in danger. They are not allowed to empty their clip at anything that spooks them. It is on them to determine if deadly force is necessary before firing. You think that means they have carte blanch to shoot anyone who does anything other than exactly what the police tell them to do, a stance which is so absurd that I can’t even wrap my head around what kind of person would find that situation acceptable.

    Second, even if you were in the right which you absolutely aren’t, this isn’t that. In this situation it was clear and evident the suspect was running away. He got 30 feet from the car before being gunned down. The police had plenty of time to realize he was unarmed and running away. This wasn’t a reflex. That officer DECIDED to murder that man, knowing full well he was fleeing and no threat.

    Nothing you say will change that. Nothing you say will justify it. I don’t know how you can be so accepting of police with the power of life and death over anyone who steps out of line.
     
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    That he didn't have to kill the Antwon to bring him down.
     
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    Your anecdote doesn't apply to every teenager everywhere. Black teens have every reason to be suspicious of cops, who often shoot first and explain why later.
     
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    Killed by a cop who had a dicey reputation at his last job, and either quit or was fired because his sworn affidavit didn't match the evidence on an incident.
     
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    How should he have brought him down then?
     
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    And your proof that he committed a violent act is...? Already the police have dismissed the lie that Rose was filmed shooting and had gunshot residue on his hands.

    “According to Lieutenant Andrew Schurman of the Allegheny County Police Department’s Homicide Unit, both reports are false. While ACPD does have a video showing the North Braddock incident, that video does NOT show Antwon Rose firing a gun. The information about gunshot residue is also false. Crime Lab reports are still pending and have not yet been issued.

    “The District Attorney’s office also concurs and affirms the information provided by Lt. Schurman.

    http://www.wtae.com/article/east-pi...se-has-not-spoken-with-investigators/21775623
     
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    Obviously by chasing him.
     
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    No they don't.
    Maybe that cop isn't much of a runner.
     
  12. Catwoman

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    Unless you're black, that's only your opinion.

    If a cop can't chase down a suspect it doesn't say much for his fitness training at the academy.
     
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    What is it about shooting a fleeing felony suspect that confuses you, since it's not illegal.
     
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    Go sign up for the police force and lead by example.
     
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    No, nor do I question what the police did. You do.
     
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    You mean other than bullet holes in the car, guns in the back where the two runners were sitting, and an empty firearm magazine in his pocket?
     
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    Part of the fitness requirements at a police academy:

    Physical Fitness Requirements
    The first component of officer fitness is the physical capability to perform the many duties expected of any law enforcement professional. While different police organizations emphasize various attributes, almost all require top physical condition for their officers. At the top of most police requirements is stamina. Not only will heightened endurance help officers pursue and subdue individuals, but it also contributes to a higher level of performance during the long hours that police may have to remain on duty. A heightened endurance enables officers to remain aware of their immediate surroundings, which can help them identify threats and respond appropriately.

    https://www.lawenforcementedu.net/police-officer/police-officer-requirements/
     
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    No gunshot residue on his hands.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seldom do I see someone who gets every sentence in their argument wrong, but you're one of them.

    Yes, sudden movement of a detained suspect of a felony shooting is punishable by the usage of deadly force.
     
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    Except that's not what the information you linked says.

    I suggest you read it again.
     
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    My information says that "video does NOT show Antwon Rose firing a gun."
     
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    The shooting happened somewhere else, which is why the guys in the car near the shooting matching the description of the vehicle with bullet holes in it and guns in the back were stopped.

    Here's what the info you posted said. I'm reserving judgement other than what I know, but I like my odds on the left being wrong, as usual.

    Crime Lab reports are still pending and have not yet been issued.
     
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    Why would I need to be black before my opinion would be accurate? Are you black? A cop?
     
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    If you want to believe a guy who didn't fire a gun will have residue on his hands, have at it. I prefer logic.

    Furthermore, the crime lab reports apply to everyone in the car, not just Rose.
     
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    Do you follow the news? Do you recall this incident?

    "Three black teens shopping for prom at a Nordstrom Rack in Brentwood, Mo., near St. Louis, faced the police after store employees suspected they were shoplifting, calling further attention to incidents of racial profiling in commercial spaces over the past month."

    How about this one in Portland? https://www.motherjones.com/crime-j...ling-nordstrom-rack-apparently-wasnt-a-first/
     

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