Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

I wonder how many people are ignorant of this? And given the chances are nil, russia will turn over these people to be tried, and that is when evidence would have to be used, such an indictment is proof of nothing. It is all theater, and we know that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. So indictments does not mean guilt.

Although I would be surprised if russia did not meddle in our election, as they have done and we have done to others for decades. I don't see it as a big deal. It is normal. Unless hillary loses and then its an act of war! ha ha

Russia wishes it could affect elections, as we do. The best that can be managed with these kind of tactics is to introduce some disorder as if we didn't already have our own home grown disorder! From the two tribes and MSM.

But the big deal is still whether trump and putin are a part of a conspiracy. That was the original claim. We have seen nothing to evidence that, and so russian meddling, which has gone on for decades suddenly becomes another pearl harbor!! ha ha. It really is absurd.

 

Actually, we do. And the fact you refuse to accept the intel agency's findings because you don't want to admit Russia acted to change the outcome of the election in Don's favor should frighten every reality based American.

 

Of course not. It would be revealed, officially, after both murray and assange are given the chance to provide their evidence, which could be verified. For they say the sources are not from russian hack jobs. If they can prove it, then what would that make this entire deal look like? If it is true, what they say, do you think those who have lied since 2016 would want the truth revealed? ha ha. It would be suicide for those involved, and make the trump haters look like nuts. You do not want to be seen as a weak intellect, a dunce, right? So easily fooled. No one does.

So you have two men claiming one thing, and neither have ever been known to be liars, and you have a gov't and an intel who are known liars. We need to know who is the liar. That would put an end to it. I think truth is important. I also think there are forces who do not want the truth to be known. MSM would not even investigate murray, and his claims. Now you might not find that odd, but I do. And it does look odd, given what is involved here. Until these loose ends are tied up...there can be no truth to rise to the top.

 

It hilarious to me that you quote the beginning of my paragraph, but don't address the whole of what I said. Really shows me that you will believe anything the US govt tells you. Sad that you do considering we have been causing havok in the mid east for years.

 

Far too many individuals either cannot, or simply will not, accept the possibility that the public did not want Hillary Clinton to be president of the united states. They choose to believe that the public could not have possibly selected Donald Trump and his racist, sexist conduct, and that an outside party must have been responsible as a result.

 

And plus I never said I didn't think it was Russia. Russia could very well be responsible. But their needs to be proof, evidence, hard data. None of this has ever been released or will be released. The fact you believe US intel agencies so blindly after they lie to your face is telling. I am saying all this as a person on the left. Russia didn't make Hilary lose. Hilary lost the election, plain and simple, and whoever leaked the DNC, hacked, provided the American public with information that the Democratic election nominee process was totally rigged by the Clinton's. Do you wish we never saw this information? Do you wish it was hidden?

 

You gotta just love how the Right ALWAYS argue both sides depending on which way the wind blows at the time.

When they want to defend Bush and the Iraq war they insist there were WMDs and they were found but kept secret by the fake media, and then they use the fake media reports of found WMDs to prove there were WMDs.
Now to discredit the Intelligence Services they claim there were no WMDs.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chemical-weapons-found-in-iraq-nyt-report-135347507.html

U.S. troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011: report

American troops found nearly 5,000 abandoned chemical weapons in Iraq from 2004 to 2011, but their discoveries were kept secret by the U.S. government, the New York Times reports.
According to the 10,000-word, eight-part interactive report ("The Secret Casualties of Iraq's Abandoned Chemical Weapons") by C.J. Chivers published on the paper's website late Tuesday, at least 17 American service members and seven Iraqi police officers were exposed to nerve or mustard agents in Iraq after 2003.

 

I wonder how many threads like this we have had in the last year and a half.

Basically just a bunch of people virtue signaling for their party and claiming they "know" *fill in the blank*.

 

Sweet!

 

We stopped suffering useful idiots Nov, 2016. Tickets please, and find your seat at the back of the bus.

 

Well doesn't that make HIM "deep state!"

 

I am not on the right, but the left. Any principled person on both sides should know the Iraq war was a total lie.

 

It certainly did make him apart of the deep state for a long time. But as a whistleblower, and leader of VIPS, he has done excellent work in critiquing US intel claims and him being apart of the US intel for such a long time aids his credibility.

 

I thought Pepe the frog was for younger white nationalists and 4chan members. I got the feeling this was an older crowd here at PF.

 

Everyone on this forum must know by now how narrow-minded some of you are. Traitor? Strong words from someone who doesn't have a clue what traitor means.

Who arranged for 1/3 of our Uranium to be sold to Russia?

Who leaned into the microphone and whispered to Russian Dimitri Medvedev " that he would have “more flexibility” to negotiate on the delicate issue of missile defense after the November election ?

Who sent Iran $1.7 billion in payments against sanctions that allowed Iran to continue terrorism around the Middle East and Africa?

Who sent $349 thousand and personal to help groups in Israel to undermine Benjamin Netanyahu?

Who ignored a cry for help from the Benghazi embassy and allowed the death of our diplomats?

Who supplied arm shipments to Mexican drug cartels that resulted in the death of border agent Brian Terry and what President and attorney General tried to cover it up?

What President used the IRS to shut up and defund conservative groups against them?

Unproven Russian Collusion is small potatoes compared to our past president and his cohorts.

 

So, I will ask you if you read the latest indictments all the way through? You want evidence, it's in there---however,that being said, why are you defending Putin?

 

Was it the Burger King? That bloke has been loose AF recently

 

Butisms,butisms, are not going to work this time----still defending this traitor? WHY?
Article 3 Section 3,Clause 1 of the United States Constitution lays out treason---trump committed treason---trump is a traitor---.....He stood right next to Putin & took Putin's side over the United States---then trump comes out "after" getting back home to attempt to take it back---now why is that?

 

Progressives are having a hissy fit.

 

the evidence shows that the Russians hacked the DNC and Podesta's servers and then released the info at specific points in time so as to help trump and hurt Hillary.

go ahead and ignore the evidence

 

He isn't a traitor. Nor did he commit treason no matter what MSNBC said.

 

Debatable proposition even NSA only said it was a fifty fifty proposition.

 

100% false!!

Guccifer 2.0 hacked the DNC and they are a Russian group.

 

Lie.

 

Golly gee, you're smart!

It was a freaking joke.