It’s time to split this country up

Which part of my comment led you to believe I'm a lefty, or that I support OPs nonsense?

My point: if by some magic wand the progs managed to secede, they would have a few coastal urban centers to rule. The producers would stay with America. Im sure we'd be happy to sell them goods, but they'd have nothing with which to buy said goods, and they'd be begging to be re-annexed within a decade.

 

Indeed. That one is promoting an essentially terrorist objective.

 

I really don't see this happening, but Trump & his insane crony psychopath handlers (I'm talking to you John Bolton) might go so far that even a Democrat could win in 2020.

 

I don't think antitrumpkins are going to leave voluntarily so I suppose the trumpkin militia will have to do it via force.

Canadian Gavin McInnes at the helm, no doubt.

Perhaps the likeliest outcome, though, is cold, non partisan state aparatus decides to blow the brains out of all of these tiny trumpkin heads because they won't behave and are a mob.

 

Dividing America just now isn't a good idea. USA is the only country strong enough to stand up to China & Russia.

 

Portland will beat out the entire budget of Trumpistan in Server Farms alone, and do you really think the giant agribusinesses in the Midwest will let their states secede? The vast, vast majority of our food comes from Archer Daniels Midland, Cargill and a few others. Your local Farmer's Market and Roadside Stands notwithstanding,, small (under 1000 acres)farms have not really fed the US nor anyone else since the 1890's.

These threads are all silly, most of them based on urban/rural differences that have not existed since the 1930's if they ever did at all. We're very advanced in the "country", we now have fire, the wheel....

 

Could we then have a free State named 'Leave me the F Alone?' ?

 

It never has been. The USA is about as big as a country can be practically (4th largest in the world) and yet we are very well unified due to our unique infrastructure, both physical (roads and RR) and social. (the Constitution, Interstate Commerce Laws and the Uniform Commercial Code) That and the fact that we are mainly in a temperate area gives the USA unique advantages over just about any other country anywhere, we would be very foolish to let them go.

 

Conservative mythology to the contrary, we live there already. There is no other nation on Earth where you can live as freely and as comfortably as in the USA. Like it or not you are a human being and, given that you don't have special training and talents beyond just about 99.9% of humanity, you need or will need some human contact to survive a reasonable lifetime without committing suicide, possibly not much but some. If what you must endure in America is really too much I wish you well in Somaliland or Antarctica.

 

That sounds like a distinction without much of a difference.

 

If that's true, then it's in spite of the US government, not because of it.

Who is arguing against human contact?

Right, because the only choice an American has is to meekly submit to the authoritarianism of the US government or move to Antarctica. There are no other options!

 

we are stronger together and no way we give Trump a dictatorship

we have survived divisive Presidents in the past and we will survive Trump too

 

What are you laughing at?

Actually, the last available data point (November 26, 2017) has support for secession at 19%. Either way, only an intellectually dishonest person would fixate on one data point out of dozens in order to make their case. Statisticians call that "cherry picking". The AVERAGE of this data set seems to be between 21% and 23%, and that holds true for their latest cluster of data points. That translates to a range of 67 million to 73 million. To put that in perspective, it's roughly the same population as France.

Why? Because you say so?

You realize the American revolution was based on an act of secession from the British empire, right? Were the Irish "childish" for seceding from the United Kingdom?

Say it a few more times and maybe it will come true.

 

What does this even mean?

 

So anytime someone disagrees with how the US political system operates, they should just leave the country?

 

Wow... so merely advocating in favor of political reform is now terrorism according to Democrat loyalists like Surfer Joe.

Maybe you should hide underneath your bed until this scary discussion of politics subsides. I'll let you know when it's safe to emerge.

 

Yeah, because if we dissolve the union, suddenly crops will stop growing, people will stop trading with each other, and the weather will make the country inhospitable.

 

So let's sum up the pro-unionist arguments thus far.

1. You should leave America.
2. You're a terrorist.
3. The USA has good weather.

And these people consider themselves the smart ones in the room?

 

foreigners would not understand, the United States is stronger united then divided

of course maybe they do, I would not doubt Russia is behind trying to spit this country up

 

they do not really seem to support the county if they want to destroy the USA and break it up into pieces

 

I am laughing at the inanities in your posts.

There is currently no LEGITIMATE basis for secession which is WHY it is a childish notion. Are the red states paying higher taxes than the blue states? Has there been 800 years of ongoing warfare between the red and blue states?

The REALITY is that there are always some who entertain fanciful childish ideas of starting their own government because they are dissatisfied with the current status quo but that is because they are too short sighted to understand that under the government of We the People it will swing the other way sooner or later.

Your odious BLOTUS will not remain in office for ever and neither will the GOP retain absolute control. We the People always move AWAY from the excesses that accompany any instance when a single party gains too much power and influence.

 

People will not be able to trade nearly as well with several independent countries as they do with several states. Farmers will be unable to get their crops to market and the next Hurricane will have no FEMA relief afterwards. The area we call the USA will still function, but not nearly as well as it does not. It will, in other word, cost us all a GREAT deal of money.

And WHY would we be doing this? The major point of disagreement between the right and left in this country remains Healthcare. Do you REALLY think any great number this nation's citizens are going to violently overthrow the government they and their ancestors have grown up under for the last 237 years in order to NOT get the same healthcare every other nation in the world takes for granted and has for several decades?

People go to war when they have no other choice, not over picayune variations in health insurance and taxes.

This is idiotic, you guys need to stop playing Shattered Union. It was never that good to begin with.

 

I'm not a foreigner. But even if I was, that wouldn't prevent me from understanding a simple explanation.

So what do you mean when you say we are stronger together?

The country has been split from the very beginning. Blaming Russia is just intellectually lazy propaganda.

 

The USA is a political system, not a country. The country actually predates the union. My own ancestors came to America in 1699 and settled in Virginia, decades before the USA came into existence. So even if the union were dissolved, the country would still exist. Americans would still be Americans, only they would live under separate political systems.

 

So you're laughing at something that doesn't exist.

Fascinating.

Why? Because you say so?

Are Americans united by common interests and values? No, they are not and never have been. Therefore, the union is a paltry fiction with no firm basis in reality.

It swings back and forth between two corrupt sides of the same coin. Nothing really changes. It's all a giant fraud. And most Americans understand this on some level, which is why roughly 90 million Americans didn't even bother voting in the last election.

He's not my president. I didn't vote for him. I didn't donate any money to him. And I criticize him when he deserves it. Just because I don't harbor a delusional hatred for him does not mean I'm one of his supporters.

Anyway, you do not speak for "we the people", so stop pretending like you do.

The fact is, there is no "we the people". It's just another fiction. America is deeply divided along cultural lines and always has been. The political system fails to reflect this reality, which makes it authoritarian and illegitimate.