It’s time to split this country up

Why not? That's how the global economy works. It's how it works between the USA and Canada. So what's the problem?

Why will farmers be unable to get their crops to market?

Who said anything about a war? The union could be dissolved peacefully via a constitutional convention.

And there are several major points of disagreement among Americans, healthcare being only one of them. Immigration, gun control, cultural values, taxation, etc. All are major points of contention among Americans.

 

Take care of your own healthcare, dude. You can die from whatever, and it won't matter. People die every day, and Darwin scares you.

 

Tell me this when your child needs therapy or they will die from cystic fibrosis and your company has gone bankrupt so you no longer have any Health Insurance

 

Oh bullshit too. Americans are no more deeply divided than anyone else and less than most. We stay together because it is within our own self-interest. Together we are the most prosperous and powerful entity that has yet existed. Split up we would be several squabbling polities, none powerful enough to even negotiate with most other nations for favorable trade terms of any kind, let alone to enforce our monetary sovereignty on the rest of the world. (look that up, and then try to imagine what your life would be like if our 21 trillion dollar national debt was suddenly due and payable.).

To put it another way, if the USA splits up, you'd better learn Chinese.

 

One who settles the west coast of the U.S.

 

I mean just what I say... the United States is stronger united then divided

Russia is trying to divide us and using the internet to do it, not sure why you are defending them?

do you think Russia meddled in our elections?

 

if we split up, would be like Mexico and Canada, be more countries, that does not make the USA stronger

 

that is illegal, you are required by the government to get permission to get a prescription, self prescribing is a crime

if they moved all medications OTC, then you would only need a doctor for surgery and lab work that could not be done at home, if you had the money you could also visit a doctor for advice

if the government will not let you treat yourself, then the government should pick up the cost

 

Of course they are. I can think of several countries who are much less divided than Americans off the top of my head: Switzerland, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Japan, Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Ireland, Canada. Those countries are more culturally homogeneous than America, which promotes political stability and unity. They are clearly less divided than America.

Between 1776 and 2018, Americans have had two large wars interspersed with myriad intrigues, threats, and skirmishes. The history of the USA is one of almost endless fighting and conflict between rival factions. And that is exactly what "anti-federalists" like Patrick Henry and Melancton Smith predicted would happen during the constitutional conventions. This is all so predictable and obvious for students of history. Overly centralized political systems are inherently unstable and divisive. History proves this again and again.

This "we" is merely a figment of your imagination. Your self-interest is radically different than the self-interest of your political opponents, which is why you are all so desperate to defeat the other side in elections and court cases. You know that if the other side wins, your side will be subject to some kind of oppression at the hands of the central government. That is why Trump's election caused so many Democrats to despair and lash out. And the reverse is true of Republicans when a Democrat occupies the White House. Electoral politics in America is not characterized by unity, but by bitter division.

The abstract entity known as American society is quite prosperous and powerful, but it's not because Americans are united under a centralized political system. It's because of cultural threads running through American society that emphasize liberty, entrepreneurship, and free thought. If having a powerful central government were enough to make a country prosperous and powerful, then the USSR would have been one of the most prosperous economies in history. Instead, they were largely impoverished. Only after the Soviet UNION dissolved did the economic conditions in places like eastern Europe start to improve. And China's economic success over the past few decades is directly attributable to their economic decentralization.

So how does NAFTA work? Or OPEC? Or any other international economic agreement? How are small countries like Switzerland able to obtain favorable trade deals without being a member of some large, centralized political bloc?

Why? Are the Chinese going to invade America or something? And isn't your statement a bit ironic considering how much US debt the Chinese own under the system you are defending?

 

Again, the USA is just a political system. Splitting up a political system is not the same as splitting up a society. After the Roman empire collapsed, Italian society did not magically disappear.

 

Splitting up the United States would be a bad move and make us weaker

 

The USSR was stronger united than divided, too. But that is not a reason to keep something in existence, obviously.

Maybe they are and maybe they are not. I've seen very little proof that they are. In any case, they don't have to try very hard, since division is inherent to our political system.

It must be because I'm being paid by the Kremlin to spread Russian propaganda.

I guess that depends on how you define "meddled". They certainly tried to influence our elections, but so does almost every other country in the world. Israel and Saudi Arabia exercise massive influence over US elections every single year, yet I don't hear the political establishment accusing them of meddling in the elections. Of course, the political establishment have been bought off by the Israeli and Saudi lobbies, so it's not really in their interest to bring it up.

 

Dissolving the union would return genuine democracy to America. Government would become more localized and therefore representative of the people in that region or area. This would strengthen families, communities, and local economies.

 

Unfortunately, yes, it often is. It gets really difficult to keep up ties when you're in two separate countries and have to go through customs to visit; and once your BFFs from over the hill have invaded, killed all your friends and carried you, your wife and sisters off to slavery it can seem like the old bonds just aren't the same anymore. Italian society didn't end when the Romans did because there never WAS an Italian society until the Romans were gone, nor a French, English, Spanish, etc. There was a Roman, and I contend it was a lot better for most of its inhabitants until about 500 years gone, (so do its inhabitants. that may be why they called a return to Roman standards of living the Renaissace or "Reawakening". ) Fer Crissakes, you're going on as if the collapse of the Roman Empire was just the best thing that ever happened. Do you think they called it the "Dark Ages" because everyone turned down the lights and had parties?

And all right, once we split up where does it STOP? You need to go to a good encyclopedia, (I recommend Brittanica at the library, it does have its weaknesses but I still love the classics) and look up the word "Balkanisation", or maybe just peruse a History of the Balkans, though that can be misleading.

 

I think the USA and what it stands for is very much worth defending and not tearing it up and starting over like Russia had too

and I agree, Russia is taking our division and using it against us, making some what to give up on the USA and start over even

'It must be because I'm being paid by the Kremlin to spread Russian propaganda."

if true, yes, that would explain it

 

how ya gonna split up the trillions in debt?

 

This issue was already resolved by President Lincoln and General Grant.

 

Obviously not, since we still have that problem.

Sorry, but the constitution isn't good enough for our friends on the left, so we'll just have to eventually go to war, just as they did during the civil war. The tenth amendment just blows by them like jokes to a blonde. They just don't get the idea of a limited government. It eludes them like... the ability of a fatso to walk past a twinkie.

Sorry, but that twinkie is already devoured and shat out before it's even unwrapped. It's as inevitable as the tide.

 

No, it's a country with a political system.

Be that as it may, the US became a sovereign nation not later than 3/1/1781.

Why wouldn't they, if the cost is low enough? Which obviously it will be, if they can get it done a piece at a time.

More accurately, there is no good reason to keep an evil empire in existence; but of course the US is nowhere near that, even now.

 

We could change how we are represented at the federal level and accomplish this without destroying the country.

 

I think all Trump supporters should be resettled inside a totally walled-in State like Alabama or Arkansas, either would do.

 

Geographically it makes more sense to wall off the blue metro areas.

The farmers in the Midwest planted way more Corn than Soybeans this year. They totally understand where Trump is coming from.

And after almost two years of the Trump presidency, the press still has no idea what Trump's Clausewitz political playbook is all about.

 

Cali better build desalination plants because it gets a lot of water from AZ, and if it's not part of our country anymore...sorry you get no water.

 

Ah. Concentration camps. How progressive.

 

Yes, similar to the tent cities in the desert where Homeland Security is shielding the refugee children from the prying eyes of legitimate news. Only all Trump supporters would be free to remain with their children and move freely about in Alabama or Arkansas. Big difference.