Closing down the border.......or just do this.

Interesting logic.

How does the premise lead to the conclusion?

 

The resources we are having to expend on an unmanageable situation at the border which is hurting the welfare of the government. It doesn't have the money nor manpower and those resources could be better spent taking care of the welfare of the government and it's obligations to it's CITIZENS.

 

Just implement his campaign plan to have Mexico pay for wall.
He posted it on his campaign website and would have Mexico agreeing to pay for it in 3 days.
Why hasn't he implemented it?

As for your proposal.
People who are impoverished and desperate are seeking asylum here, so to solve the problem, you want to make more of them desperate and impoverished. Seems self defeating.

 

Which means the crisis at the border isn't as grave as the crisis caused by shutting down the border.

 

Those of the opposing view run out of logic and reason and resort to fallacy.

 

We don't have an immigration clause; Only the right wing claims to be for capitalism but insist we have to lose money on public policies like national socialists.

 

I have no idea what that has to do with what I said and it probably doesn't. But again, as DHS Secretary Neilsen said today there are having to treat this as a national disaster, like a major hurricane or earthquake. Those are resources set aside FOR AMERICAN CITIZENS. The welfare of the government is it's ability to protect the CITIZENS when that is threatened the welfare of the government is under threat. You do realize the "welfare" in the tax and spend clause is the proper functioning of the government not welfare for people.

 

only illegals don't care about the law.

 

It can only look that way to a person who has dsylexic logic.
IF you can't control what is happening, then you shut the door until you catch up with the issues. The democrats don't dare stand with Trump on anything, and they are willing to give the farm away first.
Just as you don't keep driving when your car catches fire assuming the wind will blow it out.....
Or ask the guys kicking in your front door to sit down, have a beer and enjoy your home while you get something going for them on the BBQ..
The intelligence requirement for comprehension here is quite low.
The problem is crystal clear to all except those who do not wish to see it, and that only includes people whose personal agenda is furthered by letting things get worse.
That is the kind of person that does nothing for the country, has no appreciation for the sacrifice of millions in the past. Just self-serving users- and of no value to a free country.

We could solve the problem on the basis of equal exchange- For every undocumented immigrant that comes in, we get to export one of those jackasses who see no problem to Honduras. Permanently.

 

Or to those who see the border isn't going to be shut down.
For those who think causing more poverty to more people, disrupting the free trade we have with Mexico is truly dyslexic.

Why is his administration so inept, it can't handle the situation? We've had more at the border in the past.

D's are just returning the favor put forth by every R politician from 2009-20016. If a party can't handle being treated like babies, they shouldn't be treating any other party like babies. R party brought this upon themselves.

Yes, the problem is crystal clear, the tRUMP admin is inept. He doesn't know what to do. And putting up borders will just change the routes and methods of those seeking to get here. But it does NOT fix the problem. It's barely a bandaid.
Non dyslexic people can see this. It requires a tiny amount of intelligence to know this small bandaid won't solve the problem.

 

Of course, the "inept" president as you call him has a list of accomplishments that dwarfs those of his predecessors, has been repeatedly right when the dems were worse than wrong- and he beat his opponent fair and square, along with all the pundits and smart-asses who insulted him from day one.... and did that with 1/3 the campaign money and 1/3 the campaign staff of Clinton. You call that "Inept?" In the real world, it's called kicking ass, and making arrogant fools look like exactly what they are. How dare him have the nerve to do that when he was supposed to lose, and they all bet their egos he would like it was a sure thing. That is a sting they will never get over- and it shows.

I'm not in favor of either side refusing to work together, but "Returning the favor" is BS, as the dems are not just blocking, they are discarding the honor and integrity that all in congress should demonstrate and doing severe damage- including attempting to alter the demographics of the entire nation to gain political edge by allowing an open invasion of undocumented, un-vetted aliens free license to violate the border. The president stays on course, keeps accomplishing things in spite of having to deal with a pre-school mentality of dem congress members. If congress refuses to act, he has no choice but to close the border. It's not the preferred solution, it is the only one available other than ignoring the reality. The dems could change that is one day if they wanted to. Instead, they elect people with 16-year old logic, and actually endorse the ignorance such people (like AOC) spew around as wisdom. They too know better- just not in control of their own faculties, or lack the backbone to act as mature adults should.

The border will be closed because those pre-school minds refuse to act in the best interests of the nation, and because they refuse to do the job they were elected to do- and that is because they think their emotions are more important than those trivial obligations.

Denial of reality for political argument is the sign of gross incompetence and immaturity, and we are seeing that everyday from democrats. They just can't get over the hate, and that means they can't actually work for the people and the nation. That's pretty damn poor, and you know it. Pissing matches never solve anything.

 

Our welfare clause is General and must cover any contingency; and, we have an express commerce clause to ensure good capitalists should know, they should be Making money not Losing money on public policies.

 

The inept prez has done nothing much. Only dyslexic logic thinks he's done something good.
Remember, he laughed at by world leaders on the world stage when he bragged about him being so accomplished.
In the real world, his biggest achievement is whining.

And he's completely backed off closing the border. Why? Because he has dyslexic logic and a preschool mind along with his and his supporters, some set him straight and told him it would be terrible for the economy. Worse than the problem currently at the border.

 

It's hard to imagine that you can do any research and not see the parts you do not want to see. That's only possible if you seek out sources like CNN, who wouldn't give Trump credit if he cured cancer.

Trump has been negotiating with Mexican authorities, who should in the first place be blocking these caravans at their southern border. He states that they do have some promises- and that he has given them 12 months to accomplish two things; end the influx of caravans, and get control of the drug traffickers. He also promises that if these thing are not done, he will close the border and place stiff tariffs on high end Mexican exports, such as cars.

I don't think that qualifies as "backing off".

Currently, Trumps performance approval number is 49%, the same as the disapproval. That is substantially better than Obama's at the same point in time- and Obama didn't have an army of juvenile adults throwing trash at him everyday and telling the world he was "inept".... even though he was.

Rasmussen is a world-wide polling and data tracking organization, and one not politically controlled or motivated. Here's a link to an article you could read-( in a closed private space of course, so nobody would know you actually did.)

Trump’s First Year Accomplishments Compiled In Shockingly Long List
Friday, December 29, 2017

Looking back on President Donald Trump’s first year in office, he has compiled a shockingly strong record and long list of accomplishments. As was also the case with his rise to the presidency, President Trump has broken several records for a first-year commander-in-chief and fulfilled many of his key campaign promises.

Don't take my word for it, go read the whole article. Be sure you have plenty time; it's a long list.....
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...omplishments_compiled_in_shockingly_long_list

 

No argument that cheap labor provides a benefit.....but we only have so much cheap labor opportunities to go around. 100,000 caught at the border in 1 month, and those are the ones that are caught.

 

There is also no problem with using work visas to legally allow farm labor to work in the US. The question is not if we allow anyone in, it is if we control the process or not.

 

This is how to stop illegal immigration:

Remove all incentive for them to come here illegally.

1: Eliminate birthright citizenship for those in the country illegally, and where neither parent is a citizen.
2: Require that employers and landlords verify citizenship prior to housing or employing workers. Impose harsh penalties for noncompliance.
3: Require schools and hospitals verify citizenship.
4: Do not allow illegal aliens to get valid drivers licenses.

Finally, institute a guest worker program where workers can go through brokers to gain legal temporary employment for specified amount of time, not longer than 9 months, after which they must return and re-apply. Make the employer responsible for being sure the temporary worker returns when his time is up. Maybe offer guest workers who have an employer sponsor and establish a history of self sufficiency with no criminal offenses, a fast track to legal resident status so they can bring their family to live and work here while they apply for citizenship.

 

But a useless wall that costs a lot an immortalizes Trump would be just SO COOL tho huh? Maybe it could have goden gates with TRUMP=MAGA in bold 24 karat gold! I think we opt for Trump policies, simple, stupid, from the mind of a defective child, no chance of working, but YUGE and cool! Covfefe all around!

 

He won't authorize the use of force. This new caravan heading north will be allowed to pour into our country. And, the caravan after that, and the one after that. Trump has made fools out of his base. He never did intend to slow down illegal immigration. It is a source of cheap labor for him and his buddies. By the time he is out of office he will have given tax breaks to the wealthiest while increasing taxes on the American working class; left the borders wide open instead of closing them like he promised; increased the deficit by trillions; continued the war in the middle east after he promised to bring the troops home; joked around about his and Biden's sexual predation; let felons out of prison; did the work of Israel; gave out security clearances to people who shouldn't have them; increased his families wealth; did nothing about North Korea, did not solve the trade problems like he promised. What else? I'm sure there are more.
He is conman.

 

Yes, it all could have been so easy. But the republicans and Trump have done none of it, and won't either.

 

Then perhaps it is time for the people of the united states to do such instead.

 

It's everyone's right to do with their own money what the please. It would be illegal and unconstitutional. You both sound like Democrats.

 

Dude, wtf are you even talking about?

This is TDS at its worst. I didn't say anything about Trump, his wall, MAGA policies, or anything like this. This guy just jumped on me at random and spewed all this garbage in a turrets-like screed, unrelated to anything I have ever said. WTF?

 

Mexico is Americas third largest trading partner. You would devastate many businesses who rely on that.

 

So in other words.... the exact way you guys treated Obama?


I dont understand this derangement that seems to infect the conservative masses that Liberals should be treating Trump any better than they treated Obama.


Why should I treat Trump any better than conservatives treated Obama? Please enlighten me.