Russian Is Not Our Friend

Ok, Reagan won it, Bush I and 2 won it, not sure what your point is. Not everyone votes and sometimes voters make mistakes (see Obama and Carter) doesn’t change the fact more people ID as conservative then liberal or progressive. All that means is some more folks from San Fran voted in that year then some working American

 

The free world is calling, They want the United States to start acting like a responsible leader of the free world back,]

The British should ask for the bust of Churchill back,

Trump has openly trashed the legacy of Churchill and Roosevelt, and dishonored the memory of every American soldier who fought facism.

 

Step back a minute --- the party that sided with the Soviet Union against Reagan and the US is now raising the flag about Russia. More recently, Obama sided with Putin against the United States as he told Medvedev that he would have more flexibility to betray the US after his last election ---- then proceeded to do just that ---- unilaterally disarming.

There are alot of people around the world who are not our friends. The Mullah's, for instance. Nadler is doing the work of those enemies by trying to take down the President who reversed the support for our enemies delivered by traiter-in-chief, Obama. Nadler isn't alone. Kerry has sided with the Mullah's against the US by spying on top secret deliberations for Tehran.

Thank goodness for the Democrats' 21st century version of the Big Lie over Russian collusion in 2016. If not for the Nazi techniques they unleashed, those hypocrites would be supporting Putin against Trump as they supported Gorbachev against Reagan.

Have to step back, because you can't make this stuff up.

 

This is an established fact. We even know the names of the Russian FSB officers who ran the operation.

George Papadopolous testified to it (although out in public, he’s trying to pretend he didn’t. But since he bragged about it to third parties, there’s no reason to believe his denials).

It was reported on when it first became public knowledge.

And it is prominently discussed in the Mueller Report.

Mueller referenced it specifically in his remarks just last week.

Trumpian denial at this point is just dumb.

 

Sorry, but you don’t get to hide behind that dodge.

Trump supporters parroted Russian propoganda right from the FSB’s troll farms right here on this forum, and now they’re waving their pathetic (and dishonest) little flags trying to pretend that they weren’t useful idiots for the Russian campaign.

The Russian campaign reached almost as many Americans as voted, thanks the the megaphone effect of social media, and the flood of Russian propoganda that was enthusiastically repeated and amplified by Trumpsters and the right wing trashy tabloid media that they regard as “news”.

They openly ignore the fact that the GOP is blocking every attempt to keep the Russians from doing it again,

Did the Russians swing the election definitively for Trump? There is no way of actually knowing that.

But Trump’s victory in the Electoral College was secured by less than 80,000 votes out of 138 million cast. That is .057 of 1%.

Direct mail advertising is generally expected to have about a 2% hit rate. For the Russians to swing the election, they only got a six hundredths of one percent hit rate.

So, it is very statistically likely. Particularly as the target audience lives in a right wing media bubble and thinks that intelligent discussion is reciting all the slogans they just heard on Fox or talk radio (I just watched a Fox, man on the street panel do just that).

 

The votes Republicans seek to suppress are the votes Democrats seek to fraudulently cast, so that pretty much evens out hopefully. Dead people, non citizens, duplicate voters, felons. These are people that should be suppressed. The Democrat complaints that their legitimate voters are unable to identify themselves, or figure out how to get to the poll on election day are hollow.

 

People concerned with the bubble other people live in tend to view that bubble through the filmly walls of their own.

 

The DOJ and the intel agencies set the standards of what is "involvement", which is "interference," not anybody who likes Trump. And the intel agencies have proved the interference of the Russians, so, no, deniers, you don't get "a just once more."

 

One, if true, you are no better than your political enemies. Two, it is not true, and this time all the voters will cast their votes, thanks to the federal judiciary.

 

There is no big lie over collusion,

Collusion is a well documented fact, supported by a mountain of evidence.

Unfortunately, it is not a charable crime (and obvious shortcoming, given the circumstances).

Trump is up to his ears in Russians. This too, is a documented fact.

Which makes the rest of your post merely meaningless twaddle.

 

The neo-trumpers' big lie since January 2017 has converted no one and alienated millions of voters.

 

Russia has been spying on us for many decades - and we spy on them. We also spy on our allies - and they on us. In the modern world - "cyber military" is how much of this spying is conducted.

On this basis - your argument makes no sense. On this basis your argument makes no sense other than viewing every other nation in the world as an "enemy" due to having conflicting interests.

You are correct that attempts to influence our electoral/democratic process are ongoing and increasing. In 2013 it became legal for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens. This is not to say this was not happening prior to 2013 - just that now it is State Sponsored.

Our media is controlled by international financiers and influenced by international actors. Our media is a propaganda arm of the Establishment - elite politicians bureaucrats that is influenced by various big money interest - many of which are foreign.

The idea that Russia is some big player in this game is preposterous nonsense on steroids. This is like comparing a raindrop to a hurricane.

Without a fair and free media there is no such thing as a functional democratic process. Russia is not responsible for the demise of the fair and free media in this nation.

 

The only collusion was Clinton laundering campaign funds through Perkins-Coie, Fusion GPS, and Christopher Steele to pay the KGB for dirt on Trump. That is documented ,,, even made it to the FISA Courts via Mueller and his hatchet men.

 

No it isn't. It's just an allegation that's been repeated a million times. But that's all it is, an allegation. There is no proof to support it.

Who is "we"? And how do "we" know this?

Government officials lie all the time. And they're obviously lying about "Russian interference". It's just a big distraction from the corruption inside the political establishment. Anyone who isn't a blind partisan can see it.

 

It is the hysterical people trying to create tensions between Russia and the US and lay the groundwork for war that are dangerous and the true enemy of the American people. I have not seen such BS in America since McCarthyism.

 

Yes, I've heard it all before, just another typical dishonest Republican talking point. Fact of the matter is, the more people that vote, the more Democrats win, the less people vote, the Republicans win. But then, the Republican Party is the minority party.

In states like Oregon, where voting participation is around 68%, Democrats dominate, and in most of the South, where voting suppression is common, and voter participation is around 30%, Republicans dominate. Simple as that. Trump didn't win, as much as less people voted for Hillary. That is the Republican strategy. It is already trash talking the Democratic hopefuls.

 

Obama, the clintons, Brennan, Clapper and Comey are criminals in cahoots.

 

https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-.../oregons-urban-rural-divide-has-deepened.html

Keep on believing that please. You'll keep on losing. Voter suppression isn't the difference. It's the two different lifestyles that's the difference.

 

Documented?

Then show links to this KGB payment

 

Oregon has the same brain drain problem that the entire country is facing. Oregon, overall, has one of the lowest high school graduation rates in the country, if not the lowest. It applies to the entire Oregon region. And by that, I mean that Oregon originally was the name of the entirety of the Columbia river watershed. This includes Washington, parts of Canada, most of Idaho, the western part of Montana, the northern part of California, and the northwest corner of Nevada. Coupled with the low graduation rate, is the high incidence of birth defects, and people who limp or have more serious physical disabilities. Mental defects and disease are among the highest in the country. In some quarters, it is refereed to as the Oregonian curse. Mostly it applies to the descendants of those who came here via the Oregon trail, although many came up through California. It is the Whitest part of the country because it used to be illegal to be Black.

However, somewhere around 1980 or so, maybe a little earlier, the nascent high tech industry began to lay down roots in the Portland and Seattle areas. Portland is kind of weird. Most centers of innovation are fed by local Universities. The Boston area has Harvard and MIT, Silicon Valley has the UC Berkeley and Stanford. But not Portland. In fact Oregon schools are mostly second rate.

Instead, Portland has seen a steady stream of outsiders, coming in to fill the high tech jobs. This has led to the Portland area having a rather large rate of college graduates. It has brought a hipster culture to Portland and a great deal of wealth to the state. There is a great deal more to it than just a rural/urban divide. In any case, ever since they began the mail in vote system, Republicans have been becoming more and more irrelevant.

 

So when are you going to prove that the Russian government hacked into the DNC's servers? Where is your proof? Let's see it.

 

Glad you asked. Use our considerable abilities in cyber warfare. Authorize the NSA and others to 'go get em. Trump would never do this to his dear friend. Oh, BTW, enforce those increased sanctions the House voted. Oh wait, I forgot, The Don wants those reduced not increased for his good buddy.

Take out their command and control centers then tell buddy Putin, it's time we had a little talk about our elections vs. your cyber warriors.

 

Grow up.

 

Hell I consider myself a conservative. I pay my bills on time, I don't run up credit card debts. I discuss all major purchases with my wife. I don't drive luxury automobiles. I keep up my home and gardens. I insure my home and automobiles. I save as much as half of my retirement income. That's what most Americans mean when asked if they are conservative.

Ask them if they love your master, Donny, Earl of Orange. Whoops, they already have - forty percent love him wow!

 

Can you give an example of sanctions actually making a situation better?

That would be an act of war against a nuclear power.

And how do you imagine that conversation playing out? With Putin begging for a reprieve and promising to lick our asses?