Trump ended the rule blocking mentally ill people from getting guns.

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  1. struth

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    Doctors

    Why do you walk away from the face he said mental illness and hatred? Why are you ignoring the full quote?

    Why are you opposed to an above all approach and why did you support Obama when he lit these folks on a criminal background list simply for getting SS to pay for treatment? Obama did that not trump
     
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    Yes, I do own it as I paid for it.

    Proven false. You really need to read what you are given in these exchanges. You appear to PURPOSEFULLY remain incorrect.
     
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    Nope, because the dealer can’t sell it to you. You can put cash down for him to hold it, in hopes that months later you actually get approved by the atf.
     
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    They quite demonstrably can, and do. They just can’t transfer it to you until the form 4 comes back.

    Nope. You can purchase it outright and take possession when your form 4 comes back.
     
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    Transfer title. Yes it’s a conditional contract.

    Yes you can take title and ownership when you have the proper licenses and approval
     
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    No, not title. Transfer of possession. You’re still the owner.

    There is no license required, just a tax stamp.

    Please stop discussing things you know nothing about.
     
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    Nope. The dealer can’t sell it to you. You don’t have the proper approval by the ATF. It’s at best a conditional contract, if you don’t get the approval you can’t get the gun.
     
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    The dealer can, and does, add ir shown you.


    You don’t need it to purchase it. Only to take possession, as I’ve shown you.

    No matter how many times you repeat the same proven falsehoods, they will not magically become true. You can walk to your local class 3 dealer today and buy an M16. You can then take it home in 90-180 days once your form 4 comes back.
     
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    No he can’t. You can’t own it

    Procession is one of the keys to ownership. Yoive shown me nothing but you flapping in the wild trying to back track your prior incorrect comment.

    I agree you can buy an M16, provide you pass the background checks, but you’ll have to wait for them, not if it’s fully automation with it the proper approval by the atf approval...as federal law requires.

    Maybe the dealership will enter into a conditional agreement with you...good luck.
     
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    Yes, he can and does.

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    No it isn’t.

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    I’ve shown you the class 3 process.
    You can walk into your local class 3 dealer and buy an M16 today. Will take you about 10 minutes. You just can’t have possession until your form 4 comes in. This will not stop being true, now matter how many times you insist on being wrong.
     
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    So, what happens when someone doesn’t get the property approval? Are they allowed to just go down and look at the gun? What if the seller doesn’t want to have it take up space?

    Are you sure too thought this thought logically ?
     
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    That’s between the dealer and the purchaser.

    I’m just correcting you, as usual.
     
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    Please post where a doctor diagnosed these guys as mentally ill.

    Mental illness and hatred, so then most mass killers are killing because of hate. It has been stated that a VERY small % are mentally ill.

    Trump is president not Obama.
     
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    There is no "rule" that can ever "block" the mentally ill or criminals from obtaining guns.
     
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    Why pretend that you support ethnic cleansing?
     
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    The mentally ill can be blocked from legally buying guns.
    There is no way to block them from getting guns. Alas.
     
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    Wrong totalitarian tyrant. Stalin was not obsessed with DNA. That was the other monster.
     
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    You are correct..trump undid it
     
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    Yes the dealer won’t let you own it
     
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    Why would he undo it, if most mass shooters are mentally ill?

    Also don't forgot to post which doctors deemed these 2 as being mentally ill.
     
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    Having a third party manage social security payments does not meet the definition of mental illness. Especially when the decision for the management is due to physical mobility.
     
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    1) nobody said most were mentally ill.
    2) treating people that simply have a mental health issue and are getting help as criminals is well.....horrible and sick...national socialist type stuff
    3) we should encourage people to get treatment, not label them criminals like Obama did.
    4) why do you think we should label people getting treatment for mental health issues as criminals?
     
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    You already own it. The dealer just can’t transfer it.
     
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    hahaha, clearly you don't understand the concept of ownership and property law....but whatever.

    Again...so what happens to the gun when the ATF doesn't approve a person who "owns" said gun? Does it just sit at the gun shop? For how long? What happens when the gun shop doesn't want it to take up space?
     

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