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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Obviously you did not see the Senate interview of IG Horowitz. If you had you would now be kowtowing to those you just dissed.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sorry to break it to you, fella. I did!

    Tell you the truth, I'm disappointed that they're not going to jail Comey. He certainly deserves it for making Trump President. Alas! No crime!

    Either that or Republicans are just so incompetent that they can't even put bad guys in jail.
     
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    The American people can't put bad guys in jail?
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The senate hearing makes you wonder whether it was the same Horowitz who wrote the report.
     
  5. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Now that's laughable.
     
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    opion8d Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The IG report uncover the fact that FISA processes, procedures, and management we're tinged with incompetence and bias. Graham's assertion that it lose to the level of "massive criminal conspiracy" is way over the top. Lindsey should know better than to go off like this. The FISA situation needs to be fixed.

    Meanwhile the Trump conspiracy and Barr assertions that the Mueller investigation was illegal or tainted with bias was NOT the conclusion of the report. To the contrary, it was characterized as proper and followed the law.
     
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    The issues Horowitz found with the FISA application had to do with endemic problems with the FISA system.

    I guess Trumpers are all in on FISA court reform.

    Fine
     
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    My only question to you was what happens if Durham, whom has far greater investigatory powers, comes forward with indictments. To that your response is to call Durham coming forth with indictments a "conspiracy theory".

    So a US Attorney Investigation leading to an indictment is a "conspiracy theory" ? LOL.....yeah....what a far out hypothetical for me to pose. Jeez...they oughta lock me up.

    Seriously, even you cannot truly believe what you are saying.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Asinine strawman fallacy!

    I never made any such claim!
     
  10. Lesh

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    In fact no one ever made that claim

    The false claim was that it was the ONLY evidence used to obtain that FISA warrant
     
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    I said

    Wrong it proved they used the phony dossier to get an investigation going.

    You said

    So which is it?
     
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    Was it used to get the FISA warrants? Yes so my claim was not false. And Horowitz in fact said it was the central and primary evidence and the sole evidence for the renewals.
     
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    You are wrong ON BOTH COUNTS again because (a) you are using a phony disinformation site for your CONSPIRACY about the Steele Dossier being used by the FBI in order to BEGIN the Russia investigation AND (b) I never made any claim about the IG report stipulating the dossier was never used by the FBI AFTER the investigation had begun.

    Try sticking with FACTS occasionally.
     
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    They got the FISA warrant to go after Carter page and begin that investigation using the fake dossier, without that the Crossfire Hurricane investigation would not have happened.
     
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    That is because the justice IG isn't allowed to investigate lawyers in the lawyer department. Nor is he allowed to investigate former employees or anyone outside of government. Nobody he interviewed admitted to wrong doing. Those facts are a salient part of the results. We learned nothing from the IG report that we didn't already know. But I do like the capitalization for added effect.
     
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    If Durham comes out with indictment, he would need facts. If this has been investigated and no facts... it is a conspiracy theory. Speculation that Durham might maybe possibly come up with... something... and nobody knows what... but it may be bad for... who knows who.... is the clearest case of conspiracy theory possible.

    And anybody hanging their "hopes" on something like this exonerating Trump... or even having the least bit of relevance in Trump's impeachment trial.. .is a wingnut media buff.

    If Horowitz had come up with something... some form that was filled out fraudulently on purpose, and which would have changed the mind of somebody in the FISA court, for example they might have tried to use it to distract. But, other than that, it would have had no effect on Trump's impeachment. Now... it's not even on the radar. I would care so little about it that I wouldn't even bother calling it or not calling it a "conspiracy theory". Because it wouldn't even impact Trump's criminal trial.
     
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    Interesting how it went from a review to a criminal investigation isn't it?
     
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    Which was created by Republicans....
     
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    You do realize that subpoena power and grand juries are an effective method of gathering facts do you not? You do realize that Durham has that power and the IG did not? You do realize that both Barr and Durham have made overtures of things to come do you not?

    Perhaps those more intrusive methods of investigation will find nothing. Perhaps they will. Perhaps their overtures are meaningless, or perhaps they are highly indicative of what they know from their investigation and the public as of yet does not. I prefer to wait until all of the facts are gathered prior to forming an opinion on such things. You dont seem to exercise that same level of caution. I suspect you will continue to figuratively have your fingers in your ears while chanting "conspiracy theory" , so that you do not have to hear anything that you do not like. Maybe it will work out for you. Maybe not. If they do find something, I have no doubt that you will concoct some type of excuse or another where you rationalize that it is some type of hoax. That much, we can all take to the bank.
     
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  20. Lesh

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    What he did was unfortunately not a crime. The leasking that leveraged him to do that by Rudy the Ghoul may have been however.

    What Comey did was break long standing DOJ policy about declinations (declining to prosecute ... which never gets a public explanation...until he did so) and make public an "investigation" into a political candidate days before an election...something he did NOT do regarding Trump but did regarding Clinton
     
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    The report made note of that as well as saying that the Crossfire Hurricane investigation and FISA application on Carter Page had no political motive behind them
     
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    Actually as the IG testified, he made no decision on that.
     
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    Comey was forced to due to Strzok's ignoring evidence for a month. Comey also proved why he needed to be fired by leaking classified information to the press, completely screwing up the FISA applications, etc...
     
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    No! You need a clear motive to do any of that. Otherwise it would be a violation of the 4th Amendment. And that motive is gone with the IG report.

    Not even Durham disputes the findings of the IG report in respect to any criminal wrongdoing.

    Get over it! It's done! From this point on it's just a matter of finding out how many gullible Trump supporters they can fool into believing that the Conspiracy Theory is something other than a Conspiracy Theory.
     
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    I know. I know... But, in this regime in which criminals roam free, and good people are investigated, one could hope.... In history, even dictators used their abuse of power to do something right. Hitler built the Autobahn. Franco built the Valley of the Fallen, ... just our luck that we ended up with the only dictator that couldn't get anything done that would be useful.
     
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