Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Would Jesus promote punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?

Christians seem to think that Jesus took the punishment for sinners with his sacrifice/suicide on the cross. IOW, Christians see Jesus as asking Christians to abdicate their responsibility for their own sins and punishments.

If humans asked that, it would be considered quite immoral and unjust. All courts try hard to punish the guilty and not the innocent.

These quotes are what I think Jesus would have taught on this issue, him being a Jewish Rabbi.

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

There is no way that Christians would teach their children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments, yet Christians are doing just that in trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat.

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DL

 

Nobody is innocent.

We are all sinners so your point is irrelevant.

 

I am not surprised that moral are not on your important list, given you follow a genocidal misogynous Yahweh.

I have not earned hell and purposeless torture and death.

What did you do to earn those?

I don't expect an answer from hypocrites and immoral people who would ride Jesus as a scapegoat.

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DL

 

Nobody knows what Hell will be like. Eternal torture could simply mean separation from Jesus. Much of the Bible, especially about the end times, wasn't written for us to know exactly what it is.

It is simply there to conclude the story which is about salvation.

I think you know full well that much of the Bible is not to be taken literally, they are stories used as examples to get a point across.

 

That point being what? That we should deny or avoid personal responsibility by endorsing and praising the suffering of an innocent other?

 

According to the biblical fairy tale, all of humanity has suffered for eons because of what Adam & Eve did. The God character hasn't changed its mind about that.

 

Then Christians have missed the point as they idol worship a genocidal and infanticidal Yahweh and call that evil prick good.

If the story is of salvation, why do you refuse to tell us what you were condemned of to earn such a heavy penalty?

What sin did you do to need a savior?

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DL

 

Close.

Not so much praising as taking advantage of and abdicating our own responsibilities for our actions.

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DL

 

Christians won't let him change his evil ways.

They like that he is a genocidal god who hates everyone they hate. Gays, women and all non-believers.

All while they love their neighbor, if he is in their in group.

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DL

 

The Bible is very clear what the sin was and you know full well what it was.

 

Seriously? Read the Bible.

 

Imagine a world where all the good people are removed, and only the worst one third of the population remain.
That is, all the people with decency and integrity are gone.
Then take God out of the equation and have him stop invisibly intervening to prevent everything from falling into chaos.
You would have a hell right there.

I think there are already some parts of the world that are pretty close to hell.
Yet many people (especially those on the Left, for some reason) seem completely ignorant about how things are actually like in other parts of the world - particularly the worst parts. (an issue I've actually written a thread about)

 

Except nobody expected Him, or even asked him, to do that.

I would never ask someone to pay off my college loans because thats my responsibility. But I'll definitely let someone else do it if they want to.

And to be fair, Jesus died for our sins. He isn't in eternal damnation for them. The Bible seems to me to indicate that he may have gone for a time, but by all indications, He isn't there now.

It isn't so much that he payed our debt, but rather got it erased.

 

You refer to Adam's sin so why not spell it out.

You do not, likely for two reasons.

The first is that Jewish law and all good law says that each of us has to take responsibility for our own sins.

The second reason is that your own Exultet Hymn calls Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh's plan.

If Adam had not sinned, God's plan would have been derailed.

Would you derail god's plan or would you follow Adam's happy fault and keep the plan on the rails?

I do not expect honest answers so don't bother with this.

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DL

 

Those moral people who do, will reject the genocidal prick that it tries to sell.

Christians embrace the immoral and satanic.

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DL

 

When charges are dismissed, it is usually because they were put in error.

You are right that Jesus was not asked to be the sacrifice.

Yahweh volunteered him instead of doing the right thing and stepping up himself to fill his own unjust demand, to go with his unjust condemnation of man.

Tell us. As a parent, would you die for your child or would you have your child die for you?

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DL

 

You equate a debt with a life.

Wow.

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DL

 

Its my understanding that Jesus = Yahweh + mortal. They are the same consciousness, or were, until Jesus lived as a mortal and gained a perspective that Yahweh could never have while still being Yahweh. Or to put another way- Yahweh did volunteer Himself, but became not entirely Yahweh but rather Jesus in so doing.

I think it could be that Yahweh the Creator deferred dominion over man to Jesus the Savior, and Jesus is now effectively 'God' until we either ascend via His teachings or until we fail beyond hope and Yahweh must become the destroyer (or we destroy ourselves, either can fit).

 

Unintelligible discussion killer.

You are playing a three cup find the ball game.

I will let you screw up your mind by yourself.

I am into logos and not mythos and your brain twisting foolishness is why.

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DL

 

So what do you think Jesus meant, in John 20:30 (YLT) when he said "I and the Father are one.'? The jews he was speaking to about stoned Him for it, they clearly understood He was claiming to be God...

 

Jesus died on the cross to protect us from his dad... guess dad not a nice guy and we need protected from him?

 

is God like Trump, is he jealous and have a fragile ego and need constant praise? or he will punish them?

 

So do all Gnostic Christians and all who put man above god, where we belong, given that we created all the gods.

Jesus quoted the psalm by asking the question, have ye forgotten that ye are gods?

Most people had, but not Jesus and the esoteric side of Judaism and Christianity.

As to your quote.

John 14 28 The Father is greater than I.

Thumping is useless when the bible was designed to contradict itself.

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DL

 

A genocidal son, if scriptures are right, protecting us from a genocidal dad.

All that does is have us go from the frying pan to the fire. One burn just as much as the other.

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DL

 

Well, they are both liars.

Yahweh is the father of all lies, but he would be proud of Trump as he sure learned that lesson well.

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DL