Just a real fact check

This is the exact same thing that paranoid Trump supporters had to say when I defended Clinton, Obama, Biden, etc. against the misleading claims against them. And heaven help me for the things they said when I repeatedly defended Soros from false accusations.

You can easily check the forum's search feature for what I've had to say about Trump. Hint: it isn't flattering. I'm "invested" in truthful claims. I will defend Trump against false claims just as I will defend Clinton or Biden against false claims. Frankly, I can't recall any other time I've defended Trump, though I'm sure it had to happen at least (well, let's face it, probably at most) two or three other times. You are better than this. Caring about the truth is not being "invested in defending Trump."

Frankly, the left is typically better about this than the pro-Trump "right" is. It's disappointing to see this kind of exception. I've supported Trump's impeachment. I've called him a liar, a conman, a thief, etc. I've called him uniquely unfit for office. I've called him the worst president in modern history. I've repeatedly said that he has no redeeming qualities. Hell, I can't repeat many of the things I've said about him and his reporters because those constitute some of the only posts of mine that have ever been erased by the mods. I stand by all of those things. But he still wasn't calling Nazis "fine people."

 

Old white rich dnc chosen establishment rapist feeble joe Biden hasn't done anything for the American people in 40 years except enrich his family with China bribes

 

This is from a transcript:

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

There's more to it.

The bolded is what's in question. Sure looks to me like he's saying some on the side of the neo-Nazis are very fine people. That he also said some are very bad doesn't change that. In my opinion, anyway.

 

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A few lines down in that same interview, he says that the "fine people" do not include the neo-Nazis and that the Nazis and white nationalists deserve condemnation.

Later on, from the same interview:

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit."

Now, I'm almost 100% certain he had the info about the permits wrong, but it's clear he's excluding white nationalists from his "fine people" comment.

Politifact has more of the interview: https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-very-fine-people-both-sides-remarks/

 

Stephen Miller is a Jewish man. Stop calling him a white nationalist.

The day of the Charlottesville hit and run he condemned racism and bigotry.

Then again on August 14th:



Then again on August 15th:

 

You can be Jewish and still be a white nationalist. He'd hardly be the first. He's been caught promoting white nationalist literature. He's a white nationalist. Please look up The Camp of the Saints.

 

Yes, I read that. That's Trump backpeddling from the dog whistle. It's a bit insulting, actually.

The line of questioning concerned Trump's own characterization of violence coming from both sides. When confronted with the fact the violence was started by neo-Nazis, Trump does not condemn that side. He says that among those neo-Nazis are some very fine people. You can't backtrack that statement by trying to explain why very fine people would mingle with Nazis. Trump then deflects to another event which was peaceful. The issue is violence, which Trump said came from both sides. He didn't say it came from the bad people over here on this side, he said both sides. Dog whistle.

Trump could have first responded by saying what he eventually said; that neo-Nazis and white nationalists should be condemned. He could have left it at that. He didn't have to compliment anybody's people as being very fine.

 

That is the way most of the world saw it. And in that very same exchange, Trump refused to acknowledge that it was the skinheads and the Neo Nazis that were the reason anyone was in Charlottesville to begin with.

 

That is possible. Many prominent Nazis could not pass their own racial purity tests.

 

As I have pointed out before.

This transcript is from two days later (hence the reporter’s question, “why did you wait so long”.

He made no condemnation of the neo nazi crowd until two days after he lumped them in with protestors and called them very fine people.

Regardless, Trump’s plays to resentment and bigotry are well documented and ongoing.

 

And that is indeed his tactic which he put on full display when he started his presidential run in 2015.

When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
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This is the thing that truly has me shaking my head in disbelief. The Trump Apologists focus on the details of each and every incident right down to the pauses, yet they refuse to look at the totality of his comments and actions which underscores each and every one of these incidents.

 

um...here you go https://www.archives.gov/foia/donald-trump-selective-service-draft-card.html

 

I suppose he thought people understood what he was talking about at first...he didn't expect the misinfromation campaign

 

What's wrong with that statement? Mexico wasn't doing their part in stopping illegal immigrants...which were some good, but some....very bad

 

You could say the same thing about any country, but he played on xenophobic fears because he knows his base.

 

Not really....we don't share a border with any country......

 

His race baiting predated 2015.

He shoved Orly Taiz aside and anointed himself king of the birthers in 2012.

 

He's JEWISH. STOP CALLING EVERYONE NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS! IT'S IDIOTIC!

 

He's spread white nationalist literature. There have been other Jewish white nationalist. I don't call everyone a white supremacist. I call HIM a white nationalist because he was caught promoting white nationalist literature. I even provided the title for you.

 

White nationalists aren't white supremacists? Thank God. I thought they were racists who want a white only nation. I didn't know they were JEWISH inclusive. But no IRISH!

 

HERE IS JOE BIDEN CALLING WHITE SUPREMACISTS FINE PEOPLE:

 

Has anyone else noted that most Blacks for Trump signs are held up by white people? Or that the same four blacks seem to be at all of his rallies? Is it like a Grateful Dead tour where they just go from show to show because they have so much fun? Where do they get the money? Dead Heads sold drugs, bootlegs and falafel to make ends meet, what do these guys do?

 

I wont bother asking for your "proof" but return your question, notice BLM "supporters" tend to be dumb ass white girls in their early 20'S ?

 

Here's Joey! The left need not throw stones at Trump over Military Service. Joe Got his deferments just before the Tet offensive.