Oregon fines Salem gym $90,000 for staying open, violating COVID-19 order

So what is your point? Who does have the authority to enact measures to deal with a public health danger? No one?

 

This is a public health danger like the flu is a public health danger. That is, we've been living with the flu virus for centuries, and still the planet is over populated with humans.

Some estimate there are 380 Trillion virus living in humans. How Many Viruses Live in the Human Body? The Answer May Surprise You (inverse.com)

Why does this particular virus become a "public health danger"? Because you have been conditioned to believe it is a crisis by media and career bureaucrats with an agenda.

 

Oregon fines Salem gym $90,000 for staying open, violating COVID-19 order

The owner should counter sue the state for millions for destroying his or her business arbitrarily.

 

What law? Laws are passed by legislatures. They are not arbitrary authoritarian pronouncements by politicians.

 

Leading causes of death are:

• Heart disease: 655,381
• Cancer: 599,274

What do you plan to do, force people to exercise, stop smoking and eat properly or be imprisoned by the government?

The chances of you dying in the next 100 years is 100%, the chances of you enjoying any meaningful freedom is swiftly dropping to 0%. This is why allowing liberals at the levers of power is an existential threat to America.... they want and need to be controlled and they want to force this slavish attitude on the rest of America. Given that America has never had a more corrupt and incompetent set of elites in our history, there never has been a worse time to allow them even more control of our lives.

 

Constitutionally speaking (and depending of course precisely what measures you're talking about), the correct answer is, in fact, "no one". However if a situation is grave enough that it calls for extra-constitutional legislation to be passed, the people who wrote that document provided us with a process to make that happen. It's called a Constitutional Amendment, and while it's damn hard to get one passed (as it should be), if the need is serious enough, I bet they could get one through inside of 24 hours, especially if it included clauses like sunset of the new Amendment after X amount of time had passed and/or significant restrictions on the language to ensure it means exactly what they want it to mean, and not an inch more.

People seem to have forgotten that the Constitution doesn't tell the Government what they're not allowed to do, the reality is it does the exact opposite and tells them what they are allowed to do. And if any desired power isn't in there, they simply have two choices... get an Amendment passed granting that Authority, or forget the idea altogether.

It's kinda like the question of why was an Amendment required to ban booze, but they can just ban weed by passing simple legislation? The reality is they cannot just ban weed by simple legislation, but sadly the courts have allowed them to do so regardless. The entire document has been pissed on and passed over as if it really was a relic of a bygone era, but it's not. It's still there, and it still (in theory, anyway) in effect, and it sets the terms under which our governments are supposed to live.

 

Apparently there's an exception for "during times of a pandemic". It's not in my copy of the Constitution, so I've been waiting patiently for someone to send me the updated version, but that hasn't happened.

 

Actually, by far the leading cause of death is birth. Perhaps we should ban all procreation, whether intentional or not, to completely stop people from dying for all of eternity. One generation, problem solved, and nobody will ever suffer from death again.

Of course, we'd probably need a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen, as government has not been granted that particular authority just yet. But I'm guessing if they somehow tie the Commerce and/or General Welfare clauses into it, they can get away with it anyway. And they always find a way to make that particular trick work.

 

Even worse these pronouncements aren't even based on "the science." The science says viruses do better in colder weather and the doctors predicted this increase in contagion last summer. There is no science indidating that closing businesses has had any positive effect at all on the situation. Our eyes show us the economic disaster it has caused.

 

Where is that written?

 

Right above you.

 

Do enlighten us. What Article(s) and/or Amendments(s) say that? Please quote them...

 

I'm not in the mood for obtuse replies today.

 

See nothing wrong with it? Hell's bells, they celebrate it. The sooner evil rich corporation owners can be put back in their place, the better.

 

I really could not care less what you are "in the mood" for, passing a law requires Constitutional authority to do so, and asking you to Constitutionally justify laws you endorse is not too much to ask. Hell, it should be required in every piece of Legislation written by any Legislative body in the country.

But we're not really talking about legislatively passed "laws" here, are we? Really just royal proclamations issued by Presidents, or Governors, or even Mayors from their own little throne rooms.

 

Above me is a hospital bed triangle that I use to throw my body around my bed, and 2 sets of headphones I have stored there. WTF are you talking about??

 

It was a reference to my post. It was sarcasm. I'm not going to play armchair Chief Justice right now. I don't care what is and isn't written. I know I'm correct. You can't open a bordello. Simple. Done. No writing needed.

 

Be sure to get this to Chief Justice Roberts right away. Smfh.

Let's review: (I really shouldn't have to do this)

Government can tell you what kind of business you can operate
I can't open a brothel in my county, but there are several just a few miles to the east and south

where you can operate it,
I can't open a brothel in my county, but there are several just a few miles to the east and south

how you can operate it,
Sex workers must be tested and disease free

who you can and can't hire,
Sex offenders can't be sex workers. (But just plain offensive is okay; re John Bobbit)

and what time you can be open for operation.
Gotta go west for that. Bars close at 2 AM

You good now?

 

He was charged for partisan reasans and will almost certainly be let off without any more jail time. And he will be remembered by patriots as someone who defended himself against 3 terrorists and came out on top.

 

nothing partisan about it, people are dead because of this man

 

Its very partisan, terrorists are dead because they tried to kill this child.

But he came out on top, over the BLM thugs and terrorists.

 

don't believe the fake news, no one goes to a protest with a ar-15 to protest peacefully

 

Why you think he was there is irrelevant. Why he was actually there is irrelevant. What actually happened is what's relevant. What actually happened is very clear....you just don't like it.

 

very relevant to our conversation, but your right, we will let the jury decide mudman