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They have to think that way, or at least sell it that way. If the People ever wake up to the fact that a "business tax increase" is really a tax increase on everybody, they'll lose the ability to further hide the total taxes that we're all paying. "Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that guy behind the tree..."

 

No he did not cross state lines with the gun showing you again have no idea what you speak of... Go ahead rely on month old links or memes of you must but the rest of us keep updated to the changing situations as more information comes out.

 

are you talking about when the Trump tax cut carrot that they gave for the permeant corp tax cuts expires, that is on Trump... not Biden

 

got a link?

 

No. I'm talking about Biden's campaign promise to repeal Trump's "tax cuts for the rich" (that were really tax cuts for everybody), without affecting those under $400k, two things that are mathematically impossible to do at the same time. And I'm talking about the illusion that corporations (as opposed to their customers) actually pay for "corporate taxes", when it's really us, their customers, who are footing the bill. But I thought I already explained both of those points. Are you choosing to be willfully blind on these issues, or do you really not understand that which I'm laying down?

 

yes, if that happens it would be replaced by a huge permanent tax cut for the middle class

but regardless, Biden doesn't have the votes, so your tax cuts will expire when Trump set them to expire

 

What are you talking about? Biden's not going to cut ANYONE'S taxes if he has a say in the matter. There might have been a day he believed in smaller cheaper government (or perhaps just paid it lip service), but those days are long gone, and even if they weren't, the people pulling his strings would never allow such a thing.

I was literally in the hospital in a semi-catatonic state when those negotiations happened, but I suspect any inches Trump agreed to were done in order to garner support of the small handful of dems required for overall passage. They damn sure weren't something he championed.

Regardless, Trump is gone (or will be soon), so what he thought or didn't think is no longer relevant (though I will giggle my ass off if he runs again in '24 and wins). What matters moving forward is what will Biden (and his handlers) allow to come out of Congress (or at least cause to be vetoed), and there is no way they'll allow tax cuts to win the day.

But my overriding point, especially on the issue of so-called "corporate taxes" is that CORPORATIONS DO NOT PAY TAXES!!! Raise them, lower them, it matters not, it is "We the People" who get stuck with the bill either way. But the illusion must be maintained at all costs, because if John and Jane Six-Pack were ever to realize that it was them, and not the corporations, who were paying for "corporate taxes", the left will then lose the ability to hide taxes by lying about who is and is not paying for them.

"Sure, go ahead and raise taxes on them evil capitalistic corporations, they deserve it and we're not paying for it anyway" is a bit how the thinking goes... Unless that illusion ever gets shattered.

 

Biden is only wants to raise taxes on the rich, but as he doesn't have the votes, won't matter as he won't get such a bill passed

 

Life isn't easy. Sometimes we're asked to make sacrifices. I sympathize with the owner, but nobody is above the law.

 

I sometimes post hastily. Wasn't trying to be harsh, but I'm big on law and order. I don't know much about this, and don't have time right now to research it. Was a warning given or is this a one time thing? Lots I don't know. Yes the hypocrisy sucks but that doesn't give anyone else a free pass.

 

We can hope. Because we're already paying too much in taxes, poor and rich alike. Well, at least in total, those labeled as "poor" really do need to start carrying more of their own weight. We can make that happen by eliminating income and property taxes, and switching everything to sales taxes, user fees, and tariffs. Which we really need to do. Properly implemented, THAT would make for truly fair taxation, up and down the income ladder. Sadly, you lefties are more interested in destroying people for being rich, than in creating a fair system for all.

 

Did he, though? An Unconstitutional law is null and void, all the way back to the moment it was written. The problem is that it can take years and a lot of money to get a Court to make such a ruling, and the damage done in the meantime is real and cannot be undone.

 

Biden originally said repeal all of trumps tax cuts then as hard as it was for him he had to admit (once called on it) that trump did cut taxes for middle and low income individuals not just the 1 percent like claimed. Once that was made clear he then came up with his 400k talking point.

 

he was talking about the corporate tax cuts and everyone knows that

the Trump tax cuts expire on their own, only the corp tax cuts were permanent, you got conned

 

Wrong, that's not what he said said. It doesnt matter what he meant in his dementia ridden mind

 

what quote are you refering too?

 

When he originally said he was going to remove trump tax cuts after harris said it.

 

The corp taxes being permanent is a good thing, because We the People pay those taxes, so it's really a tax cut (in the form of lower prices and/or higher wages) for us. As for the individual/couple rates sunsetting, we need to fix that ASAP, preferably before he leaves office, because Biden would never be in favor of something like that. Of course the Queen of "Don't do as I do, do as I say" Pelosi probably won't let it through either. She wouldn't let the best idea in the history of ideas through if it was thought up by a Republican, even if she actually liked the idea. Her partisanship gets in the way of good things happening. I'm really hoping she does not win the gavel back in January, I guess we'll see how that works out.

 

a permanent middle class tax cut would be a better thing

and not sure about you, but prices did not go down because of the tax cuts that I saw, can you give us an example

 

The sad part is that the government does have the power to enact these protective measures. Imagine if Covid had 75% mortality rate. Governments would have to act quickly and efficiently. But imo, the ridiculous fashion in which these haphazard restrictions have been applied in this emergency has eroded the government's ability to do this in a future emergency.

 

How about a permanent tax cut for ALL taxpayers?

I know gas prices are down substantially, but due to my disability I don't do much (well, any) shopping outside the house. Most of what I have bought has been electronics from Amazon, etc., and supply chain problems have caused widespread shortages on in demand products, plus bots have allowed scalpers to scoop up most of what little supply exists, so that's not something that's good to judge on. But if we use actual MSRP and not scalper pricing on those products, they have gone down. And according to my wife, general prices have been drifting down as well, at least based on her casual observations. (Talking about food items and other things that get purchased and repurchased frequently.

We (well, my wife) has also been doing a lot of home improvement projects recently, and my casual observation of what she's paid for verses what she's received tells me that prices are going down in that area, too, but that's a little hard to judge since a simple 12"x12" tile can vary from way less than $1.00 ea. to $5.00 or more.

But since 1980 (after the guy you guys hated even more than Trump was elected), the CPI took a BIG hit initially, and has been drifting lower ever since, albeit somewhat erratically. I'm too young to remember the specifics of Ronnie's tax cut(s), but I have to imagine it included some "business tax" (that are really taxes on us little people) cuts, too, which could explain the CPI impacts both then, and since then.

So, yeah, it does appear prices have been drifting downwards.

 

They do?? Can you quote me the Article(s) and/or Amendment(s) that grant that power? Because my copy of the Constitution must be defective, I'm not finding that anywhere, so help a brother out, would ya?

 

Perhaps we should consider reducing government. Lets not forget that the vast majority of Covid deaths are elderly and those with underlying health conditions, most of which are the result of consuming a government subsidized diet.